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Gulf of Mexico storm not likely to become a depression; storm kills 11 in Haiti
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:38 PM GMT on May 22, 2009 +6
The large extratropical storm that has been pounding Florida and the Bahamas this week with heavy rain and high surf extended its reach yesterday, killing at least 11 people in Haiti. According to Reuters, most of the victims were killed while crossing rivers or when their flimsy homes collapsed. Approximately six inches of rain fell on Haiti's southwest peninsula in the 24 hours ending at 8pm EDT. Hundreds of homes were flooded and dozens destroyed in the flooding, which left 40% of the southern city of Cayes underwater. The impoverished Caribbean country is still struggling to recover from the massive flooding that killed over 800 people during the hurricane season of 2008. In March, UN chief Ban Ki-moon and Bill Clinton--who was this week appointed UN special envoy to the island--toured Haiti together and urged the international community to continue to aid the country. Participants at a Washington international donors conference in April agreed to donate $324 million to help Haiti rebuild.

The worst of the rain and flooding is over for Florida, which has seen rainfall amounts this week as high as 23.75 inches at the Flagler County Fairgrounds. Another 1 - 2 inches are expected in Northeast Florida today from the storm, along with beach erosion, 6 - 8 foot waves, and tides 1 - 2 feet above normal. The bad weather in Northeast Florida should subside substantially on Saturday.


Figure 1. Long range radar out of New Orleans.

The storm responsible for the heavy rains is now headed north-northwest, and should make landfall Saturday near the Louisiana/Mississippi border. The storm has developed a warm core at low levels, and NHC designated it Invest 90L late this morning. Latest visible satellite loops show a modest amount of heavy thunderstorm activity on the east side of the storm's circulation, but development is being hindered by dry air, and wind shear of 20 knots. Long range radar out of New Orleans (Figure 1) shows little organization or banding of the radar echoes. With only 24 hours to go until the system moves inland, it does not have enough time to develop into a depression. Since there will be strong winds from the west creating wind shear over the storm, plus dry air to the storm's west, most of the heavy rain should be confined to the east of the storm's center, along a stretch of coast from New Orleans to Pensacola. Rainfall totals of 2 - 4 inches can be expected.


Figure 2. Latest satellite image of the Gulf of Mexico storm.

I'll have an update Saturday.

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452. clwstmchasr 8:52 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
I just transpanted a crape myrtle. guess I will get to see how it handles a little wind.

This will not be a wind event for you (unless you call 20mph strong winds), just heavy rain. You'll get stronger winds in a normal afternoon summer thunderstorm.
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453. Orcasystems 8:52 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Blog Update

AOI #1

AOI #2
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454. Stormchaser2007 8:54 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
The Caribbean blob is weakening significantly...

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455. theFatherofNature 8:54 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
we're getting the outer bands now, we've been getting wind gusts of like 30-30mph in the bands
456. Michfan 8:54 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
The one on the left because there doesn't seem to be a decoupling of that system as much as there is of 90L. The upper mid and low level parts of 90L are all over the place while the system to the left that you posted seems to be the result of shear but will a very well defined LLC. It would be interesting to see the upper level structure of that left structure.
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457. iluvjess 8:54 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting 7544:
first one is for sure that the carb. blob


How many Budweisers have you had?
458. Cazatormentas 8:54 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Ok; the first one, was a system developed last 21st september 2008, southwest of the Iberian Peninsula. It was born from an extratropical low that went off the westerlies and developed lots of convection near the center.

We thought it was a subtropical storm, as winds near the center reached gusts of storm, although phase diagrams showed a shallow warm core.

It was considered as a "cousin" of VINCE (lol).

This question is pointing to the system was never labeled as an INVEST.

2 days later, wind shear moved East the big burst of deep convection far away from the LLCC. Nevertheless, the whirl came into Mediterranean Sea by the Straits of Gibraltar, giving tropical rains along the mediterranean coasts of Andalusia (amounts near of 80 mm. of rain in 24 hours).
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459. iluvjess 8:58 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
20mph wind is a little wind as I stated.
461. Chicklit 9:04 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    

Good Grief! It's still raining...
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462. IKE 9:05 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Pressure falling pretty good at this buoy at 29.2N and 88.2W....

"Wind Speed (WSPD): 21.4 kts
5-day plot - Wind Gust Wind Gust (GST): 25.3 kts
5-day plot - Wave Height Wave Height (WVHT): 9.2 ft
5-day plot - Dominant Wave Period Dominant Wave Period (DPD): 8 sec
5-day plot - Average Period Average Period (APD): 6.0 sec
5-day plot - Atmospheric Pressure Atmospheric Pressure (PRES): 29.80 in
5-day plot - Pressure Tendency Pressure Tendency (PTDY): -0.04 in ( Falling )
5-day plot - Air Temperature Air Temperature (ATMP): 73.0 °F
5-day plot - Water Temperature Water Temperature (WTMP): 74.3 °F"
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463. Cazatormentas 9:08 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Hmmm... Not sure... I don't remember very well.... but, some years ago (two, perhaps), there was a system that looked like to this one. It developed from an extratropical low as well, close to the Canary Islands. Nevertheless it was labeled as an INVEST by the NHC.

Surely, they didn't noticed it (lol).

(Sorry for my bad English)

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464. HadesGodWyvern 9:09 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    


Still considered a low pressure area from India Meteorological Department.

Monsoon Depression from Joint Typhoon Warning Center
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465. Patrap 9:11 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
466. canesrule1 9:12 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting Cazatormentas:
I would like to ask you something: please, look at this image:



Which of those systems do you think is better organized? One of them, of course, is our 90L in the GOM. But, I will talk about the other system later, when I read some answer to my question.
None of those look good, i would go with the first one, but i know the 2nd one is 90L.
467. iluvjess 9:13 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Very ominous looking little line moving across the Eastern Shore of Mobile Bay at the moment.
468. StormFreakyisher 9:14 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
RIP blog in the Caribbean, you tried to scare us but now your dissipating.We'll see you later maybe next week or the week after.
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469. Patrap 9:15 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
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470. IKE 9:15 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
230 PM EDT FRI MAY 22 2009

...UNSETTLED WEATHER TO CONTINUE THROUGH WEEKEND...


Ya think?

And all of the beach goers heading south on HWY. 331. It's a washout folks. I wouldn't be shocked to see this designated a weak STS Ana before landfall.
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471. IKE 9:16 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting StormFreakyisher:
RIP blog in the Caribbean, you tried to scare us but now your dissipating.We'll see you later maybe next week or the week after.


That never had a chance to be designated and I bet it was asked about 100 times on here. Still...it caused death which is terrible.
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472. Patrap 9:18 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
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474. IKE 9:23 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
I live just NW of the "+" on this radar. Heavy rain is moving in. 71 outside....

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475. Levi32 9:24 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
It's not purely cold-core anymore. We've had convection organizing into bands moving towards the center since yesterday, indicating that those t-storms are being created by something different than baroclinic processes.

Besides if the NHC calls it shallow-warm core, then I think that settles it. It's not going to have any affect on what the impacts of this system will be, but it is always great to ponder on these hybrid systems.
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476. canesrule1 9:25 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
477. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:27 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
AOI/INV/90L
MARK
27.8N/87.7W
TRACK MARK
27.9N/88.1W
28.1N/88.5W
28.8N/88.9W
29.1N/89.3W OVERLAND
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478. WPBHurricane05 9:28 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
The LLC with 98B isn't closed....yet- Link
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479. Levi32 9:30 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
HI-RES Visible loop of 90L

Notice how as the ULL takes off to the NW the surface vortex tries to tighten up and get under the area of greatest upper divergence southeast of the upper low. It's trying to pull an Alberto and get under the convection northeast of it. The low is still elongated to the SW but you can see the main vortex tightening up.
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480. IKE 9:32 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
I've got a thunderstorm outside now. Terrible weather.
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481. ddbweatherking 9:33 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Does any one have more information on the interesting blob over the Bay of Bengal, i am concerned about it becoming strong and coming over me. Thanks
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482. IKE 9:33 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting Levi32:
HI-RES Visible loop of 90L

Notice how as the ULL takes off to the NW the surface vortex tries to tighten up and get under the area of greatest upper divergence southeast of the upper low. It's trying to pull an Alberto and get under the convection northeast of it. The low is still elongated to the SW but you can see the main vortex tightening up.


That's a good satellite. Appears to be organizing slightly.
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483. SouthALWX 9:35 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
I live just NW of the "+" on this radar. Heavy rain is moving in. 71 outside....


wow IKE .. that's close to me ... I live west of andalusia ... inlaws are from opp/Florala area ... I found a neighbor =P =D
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484. RevInFL 9:36 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Hey all I usually dont say much but wanted to share some pics with you of what our little no-named storm did to Florida. The first link is of Ormond Beach which has gotten 27.70 inches of rain. The next is of Daytona International Speedway.a href="http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19530188/detail.html



Link
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485. WPBHurricane05 9:36 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting ddbweatherking:
Does any one have more information on the interesting blob over the Bay of Bengal, i am concerned about it becoming strong and coming over me. Thanks


Condition's look favorable for development. Im sure someone else here knows what track the system will take.
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486. IKE 9:36 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
I can see the heavy rain moving in...looking out my window.
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488. Levi32 9:37 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting ddbweatherking:
Does any one have more information on the interesting blob over the Bay of Bengal, i am concerned about it becoming strong and coming over me. Thanks


It's developing into a monsoon depression and has a good shot at developing further. SSTs are very warm and wind shear is fairly weak. It's positioned under an upper-level high which is causing very weak steering currents. It will probably meander around in the Bay drifting generally towards the NW or NNW.

[edit]: Where exactly do you live ddb?
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489. IKE 9:37 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting SouthALWX:

wow IKE .. that's close to me ... I live west of andalusia ... inlaws are from opp/Florala area ... I found a neighbor =P =D


I live 15 miles south of Florala...off hwy. 331. Get ready, this band will get to you shortly.
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490. RevInFL 9:37 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Opps here is the link to pics of Ormond Beach.

Link
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491. SouthALWX 9:39 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


I live 15 miles south of Florala...off hwy. 331. Get ready, this band will get to you shortly.


Bah.. was about to go swimming =/
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492. Nolehead 9:39 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
evening everyone, just got out of the water...could see that line of storms rolling in..sorry to hear your getting it ike...it went just north of me over here in Elberta..that one NASA sat is really cool...can see how the cloud tops are exploding..this might get a bit more interesting...
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493. RevInFL 9:40 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
The NWS in Florida has just revealed that this un-named storm has moved to number 4 on the list of total rainfall the state has received. This means is has surpassed Tropical Storm Fay from last year. Good luck to all of you yet to feel it's wrath.
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494. Patrap 9:41 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
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495. IKE 9:42 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting RevInFL:
Opps here is the link to pics of Ormond Beach.

Link


That's a lot of rain.
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496. Levi32 9:42 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Nasa HI-RES visible loop of 90L I adjusted the image to the north a bit.
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497. ddbweatherking 9:42 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Thanks, i am in Bangladesh now and a weak cyclone hit this early march, and Sidr was in Nov. 2007. I am not expecting anything like Sidr but it should still be considered since sea surface temperatures are in the upper 80s through lower 90s and wind shear is low.
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498. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:42 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting ddbweatherking:
Does any one have more information on the interesting blob over the Bay of Bengal, i am concerned about it becoming strong and coming over me. Thanks


ABIO10 PGTW 221800
MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC//
SUBJ/SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL WEATHER ADVISORY FOR THE INDIAN
/OCEAN/221800Z-231800ZMAY2009//
RMKS/
1. NORTH INDIAN OCEAN AREA (MALAY PENINSULA WEST TO COAST OF AFRICA):
A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE.
B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY:
(1) THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 14.4N 87.3E,
IS NOW NEAR 15.1N 86.5E, APPROXIMATELY 240 NM SOUTHEAST OF VISAKHAPAT-
NAM, INDIA. RECENT ANIMATED WATER VAPOR SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS A
VERY BROAD AREA OF CONVECTION ASSOCIATED WITH A CONSOLIDATING MONSOON
DEPRESSION THAT COVERS THE MAJORITY OF THE BAY OF BENGAL. THE VAST AREA
OF CONVECTION IS SOUTH OF THE LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). A
221245Z QUIKSCAT SCATTEROMETRY PASS OUTLINES THE WELL-DEFINED LLCC WITH
WIND BARBS OF 10 TO 15 KNOTS. THE STRONGER UNFLAGGED WINDS OF UP TO 40
KNOTS ARE WELL AWAY FROM THE CENTER. UPPER LEVEL ANALYSIS REVEALS THAT
THE SYSTEM IS UNDER THE UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE AXIS WITH LOW VERTICAL WIND
SHEAR. ADDITIONALLY, THE SYSTEM IS TRACKING ALONG WARM SEA SURFACE
TEMPERATURES. BOTH OF THESE FACTORS ARE FAVORABLE FOR FURTHER DEVELOP-
MENT OF THE CYCLONE. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT
12 TO 17 KNOTS AND MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE AT 1007 MB. THE POTENTIAL
FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT
24 HOURS REMAINS FAIR.
(2) NO OTHER SUSPECT AREAS.
2. SOUTH INDIAN OCEAN AREA (135E WEST TO COAST OF AFRICA):
A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE.
B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: NONE.
FORECAST TEAM: ALPHA//
NNNN

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499. ddbweatherking 9:43 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
BTW,If you didn't know Bangladesh is at the top center of the Bay of Bengal but i don't live near the coast, i live in the capital city.
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500. biloxidaisy 9:44 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting RevInFL:
Opps here is the link to pics of Ormond Beach.

Link


Wow..
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501. Levi32 9:44 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting ddbweatherking:
Thanks, i am in Bangladesh now and a weak cyclone hit this early march, and Sidr was in Nov. 2007. I am not expecting anything like Sidr but it should still be considered since sea surface temperatures are in the upper 80s through lower 90s and wind shear is low.


Yeah, hopefully it doesn't blow up too badly. It's really organizing nicely at the moment though. It's best to just be prepared for anything out there. These things in the Bay of Bengal can ramp up very fast once they get consolidated.
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