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New $50 million hurricane research center: a bad idea
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:28 PM GMT on July 01, 2009 +3
Hurricane track forecasts have improved by about 50% over the past twenty years, which has undoubtedly saved many lives and billions of dollars. These forecast improvements have primarily resulted from the investment made in hurricane research, which has been funded at approximately $50 million per year over that period. To me, it is unfathomable that our nation spends so little on scientific research that provides such an incredible value. The President's National Science Board, which makes budget recommendations for the National Science Foundation (NSF), agrees, and recommended a six-fold increase in hurricane research spending to $300 million per year in a 2007 report. But exactly how much "bang for the buck" are we getting from hurricane research? The answer is murky, making it difficult to excite the kind of attention and political appeal needed to give hurricane research funding the big shot in the arm it deserves. However, recent moves by the Obama administration show that they are taking notice of the need to spend more money on hurricane research. But, a recent proposal by Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Florida, to build a new $50 million hurricane research center in Orlando, is the wrong way to boost hurricane research.


Figure 1. A science team led by NOAA's Hurricane Research Division (HRD) prepares for a mission into Hurricane Gustav in 2008. Image credit: NOAA/HRD.

How current hurricane research is funded
In 2008, about $50 million was spent by the U.S. government on hurricane research, with about 25% of this total going to maintain the facilities that do the research. The $50 million funded 228 person-years of research. About 35% of this was provided by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), with the rest of the money coming from the National Science Foundation (NSF), Office of Naval Research (ONR), and NASA. An additional $4 million was earmarked by Congress in 2008 to fund NOAA's promising new effort to improve hurricane intensity forecasts--the Hurricane Forecast Improvement Project (HFIP).

Where future funding increases should go: HFIP and JHT
The President's proposed FY 2010 budget continues the roughly $50 million dollars the hurricane research community traditionally gets, but adds $13 million in funding for the HFIP effort. To me, this is a great way to channel new hurricane research funding, as the HFIP effort is heavily focused on improving hurricane intensity forecasts, which have not improved at all over the past twenty years. Specific advancements outlined in the HFIP plan include:

1) Improving hurricane track forecast accuracy by 50% out to 5 days by 2018.
2) Improving hurricane intensity forecast accuracy by 50% out to 5 days by 2018.
3) Extending the lead time for hurricane forecasts out to 7 days.
4) Reducing the false alarm rate for rapid intensity forecasts.
5) Increasing the probability of detection of rapid intensification.

Another great way to boost hurricane research funding would be to put more money into NOAA's Joint Hurricane Testbed (JHT) project. This $1 million per year program has funded 50 separate hurricane research efforts over since 2001, 30 of which have been adopted operationally by the National Hurricane Center. Examples of successful JHT projects include the successful integration of the Stepped Frequency Microwave Radiometer (SFMR) surface wind measurement instrument into NHC operations; improvements to the GFDL and HWRF computer models; and improving techniques to make a "consensus" forecast based on the output of our four best computer models. However, no new money for JHT has been proposed in the FY 2010 budget, though some of the money earmarked for HFIP may flow into JHT.

A new $50 million hurricane research center proposed
Instead, a new proposal for hurricane research funding has been championed by Representative Alan Grayson, D-Florida. According to an article in the Orlando Sentinel, Grayson is pushing for a new $50 million hurricane research center to be built in Orlando. He demanded that such a hurricane research center be built in exchange for his vote for the controversial climate change bill passed Friday by the U.S. House, the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. There is no language in the actual bill authorizing funds for such a center--Grayson merely has the word of democratic lawmakers, including President Obama, that such a center would be built. "I think it's a very worthwhile project. I look forward to working on it and making it a priority as the legislative process moves along," said U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman, the California Democrat who sponsored the bill, in the Orlando Sentinel article. The center could be constructed with funds aimed at helping states "study and adapt to climate change," money that would not be available until 2012 at the earliest. The hurricane center is "among the type of activities that would be eligible to receive funding," Waxman said. "We've never had anything [like this] come into this district before, ever," said Grayson, a freshman lawmaker. "This will be the world-leading facility for hurricane research. This will draw people from all over the world."

Well, I have championed efforts to give more funding to hurricane research over the years, and I think the $300 million per year in funding for the National Hurricane Research Initiative proposed in 2007 by the President's National Science Board is what is needed. However, I think Grayson's proposed new hurricane center is a bad idea. Florida already has a world-leading facility for hurricane research, NOAA's Hurricane Research Division on Virginia Key, and does not need another. The U.S. hurricane research community has an infrastructure in place that works, and the best way to foster hurricane research is to pump money into this existing infrastructure. I talked with a number of senior hurricane research scientists about the idea of a new hurricane research center, and none of them supported it. It's great that Rep. Grayson's wants to put new much-needed funding into hurricane research, but he didn't consult with the experts to see if a new research center was a good way to do this. It isn't. Where are all of the scientists needed to staff such a center going to come from? Presumably, they will be drawn from existing successful research teams, leading to the disruption of these proven research efforts. Adding a new national research center with a new bureaucracy with new management needing on-the-job training will dilute and distract from current hurricane research efforts, and is not a good way to spend $50 million. Several senior hurricane research scientists are going to be reaching out to Rep. Grayson over the next few months to make him more aware of the abilities and needs of the hurricane research community. Hopefully, these efforts will result in a more productive way for the Congressman to boost hurricane research. If you live in Rep. Grayson's district, I recommend you contact him to express your desire to see him champion a more effective way to boost hurricane research than with his proposed $50 million hurricane research center. Putting the $50 million into the National Hurricane Research Initiative (HFIP) effort would be a better use of the funds. To his credit, Rep. Grayson is a co-sponsor of the National Hurricane Research Initiative of 2009 (H.R. 327), a bill introduced into the House of Representatives on January 8, 2009. This bill is a lesser ($150 million per year) version of the $300 million per year National Hurricane Research Initiative proposed in 2007 by the President's National Science Board.

Good links for HFIP information are at:

http://www.nrc.noaa.gov/HFIPDraftPlan.html
http://www.dtcenter.org/plots/hrh_test/workshop20 09/presentations/1_Gall_HRH%20HFIP%20presentation. pdf

Some summaries of recent HFIP activities in the last year are at:

http://www.dtcenter.org/plots/hrh_test/index.php
http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/research/tropical _cyclones/hfip/workshop_2009/

My next post will be Friday, when I'll have the first half of July hurricane outlook.

Jeff Masters
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1. fireflymom 1:30 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
It will be interesting to follow this story, thanks for the heads up Dr..
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2. Tazmanian 1:31 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
My next post will be Friday, when I'll have the first half of July hurricane outlook.

Jeff Masters


hmmm you said wed would be your July hurricane outlook.
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3. NEwxguy 1:32 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Thanks,Dr. Masters,will look for the forecast.Curious with the strange weather pattern set up on the east coast,curious what the outlook might be.
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4. Tazmanian 1:33 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
hmmm this wind shear map dos not look very unfavorable too me in fac wind shear is vary favorable this about any where there may be a few pake it of 20 to 40kt of wind shear here and there but any way this about evere has favorable wind shear


Link
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5. Tazmanian 1:36 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
New $50 hurricane research center



olny $50???
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7. Orcasystems 1:37 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
I thought his blog heading should have a question mark after the term "bad idea". After reading the post, I can see he leaves no question... in his opinion, its just a bad idea period.

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8. crownwx 1:38 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Good morning all!!
Wanted to repost this in the new blog:

I took a look at the CFS model forecast for
the next few months off of the AccuWeather
Pro site and found a couple of interesting
things.

July: The UL low looks to lift NE this month
into eastern Canada which may allow some
warmth into the NE US. Lots of hvy precip
off of coast of Africa, but then tapers off
the further west you go, which likely means
any TWs will "peter out" the further west you
go. Lack of precip over much of Caribbean
likely due to Columbian low pressure system.

August & September: Found the precip strip
up off of the US East Coast interesting, may
be a clue to tropical systems paralleling
the US East Coast as they track N and NE.
Also, there is an area of heavier precip
over the NE Gulf of Mexico that is kind of
curious. Wondering if this means something?
The setup is pretty much the same for both
August and September.

October: Area of heavier precip near North
Carolina coast and near Cuba.

Looks like Caribbean stays dry for much of
the summer and also interestingly the western
Gulf of Mexico until September and October.


Thoughts are more than welcome!!

-Rob @ Crown Weather Services
http://www.crownweather.com

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10. 69Viking 1:40 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Interesting post Doc, I tend to agree with you! Well all seems pretty quiet, I guess that's a good thing with the 4th of July weekend just around the corner! Good morning everyone, another hot day here in NW Florida but not as humid.
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11. Tazmanian 1:41 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Quoting Tazmanian:
hmmm this wind shear map dos not look very unfavorable too me in fac wind shear is vary favorable this about any where there may be a few pake it of 20 to 40kt of wind shear here and there but any way this about evere has favorable wind shear


Link
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13. WPBHurricane05 1:45 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Its great that Rep. Grayson wants to bring jobs to his district...but I think the National Hurricane Research Initiative could use the extra $50 million.
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14. WPBHurricane05 1:47 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Quoting Tazmanian:
New $50 hurricane research center



olny $50???


LOL Taz I could afford that but its $50 million...$50,000,000.

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15. CaneWarning 1:49 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Yeah I read the title of the blog and was very confused. I think he meant $50 million in the title.
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16. Orcasystems 1:50 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Dr Masters is not the only one who thinks its a bad idea.

What Hurricane Research Center

If you read some of the comments... it does not have many supporters at all.
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18. CycloneOz 1:54 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
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19. Orcasystems 1:54 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
I know this is not blog related... but I would also like to say Happy Birthday to my fellow Canadians on here :)

Happy Birthday Canada
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20. weathermanwannabe 2:01 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Nice catch Dr. M and I agree whole heartendly with your comments. Pump the money into existing facilities/programs, where the best experts already live with their families and work, and you get more bang for the buck rather than building an entire new facility, or, better yet. They seem very cramped at NHC in Miami during the peak of the season so, get some Miami politicians on board, and build an "annex" to the existing NHC facility and put it right there.
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22. WeatherMikeToledo 2:04 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
This will probably sound cynical, but considering where our Nation is headed: toward the largest economic contraction in both our Nation's and the world's history - weather prediction - including hurricane predictions - may soon have to depend that the ol' Staff Meteorologist from New Delhi at CarTalk - namely: Luke Audavindo.

Oh yeah - maybe the money can come from the Stimulus which just adds to the bill that will come due some day - very soon.

Don't mistake me: I'm for what Dr. Masters would like have, but I just don't think the dough is gonna be there to do it - unless it's taken from some place else even more vital or comes from some super rich person, like Bill Gates with his $40,000,0000,000.00 in his personal assets.
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23. Orcasystems 2:05 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Quoting Vortex95:


Reported...



LOL jk, btw how old is Canada now?


Canada was established as a self governing country on July 1st, 1867.

There were places called Canada before official Confederation, though. Really, Canada dates back to 1535, when Jacques Cartier first discovered it.
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24. weathermanwannabe 2:06 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
He demanded that such a hurricane research center be built in exchange for his vote for the controversial climate change bill passed Friday by the U.S. House, the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009.\

Typical shallow politician....Now I know who not to vote for in the future...
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25. crownwx 2:09 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Quoting StormW:
Thanks Dr. Masters.

New Hurricane Research Center? Hell, send some money to NHC, and some for satellite repair/replacement and such. Keep the Hurricane Hunters flyin' too!

On another note, interesting obs Rob.


Thanks StormW. BTW, did you get a chance to look at the CFS model forecast? If you have, what are your thoughts?

I too read the article about the new Hurricane Research Center and I'll admit I'm a bit puzzled by the location. I love Orlando and think its a great area, don't get me wrong, but funnel the money to already established research centers either down in Miami or even over at FSU's tropical meteorology program or any of the other already established research centers. JMHO.
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27. StormFreakyisher 2:15 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Anyone from tampa like Tampaspin?How was the EF0 tornado that hit there?Northern Florida is getting the severe storms while southern Florida is getting big blob of showers and storms but not severe.
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29. Cavin Rawlins 2:22 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Good Morning;

First Day of July
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30. PcolaDan 2:23 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Happy B'day Canada Florida State University Section B style.

LINK

Note: "O Canada" has become the rally song of the fifth inning, sung whenever Florida State bats in the fifth. There are many, many rumors as to how this tradition was started, so it just depends on whom you ask. A Canadian flag was added to the Animals in 1991, and is now raised whenever the anthem is sung. We even sing %u201CO Canada%u201D in French from time to time if the mood hits us just right. It%u2019s become such a well-known tradition that even the organist at the ACC Tournament when it%u2019s in Durham, NC plays the anthem whenever FSU bats in the 5th inning.
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31. Dr. Jeff Masters, Director of Meteorology (Admin)
2:32 PM GMT on July 01, 2009
   
Quoting Tazmanian:
New $50 hurricane research center



olny $50???


Yes, $50 would not fund much research! Fixed.

Jeff
32. Squid28 2:33 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Quoting crownwx:
Good morning all!!
Wanted to repost this in the new blog:

I took a look at the CFS model forecast for
the next few months off of the AccuWeather
Pro site and found a couple of interesting
things.

July: The UL low looks to lift NE this month
into eastern Canada which may allow some
warmth into the NE US. Lots of hvy precip
off of coast of Africa, but then tapers off
the further west you go, which likely means
any TWs will "peter out" the further west you
go. Lack of precip over much of Caribbean
likely due to Columbian low pressure system.

August & September: Found the precip strip
up off of the US East Coast interesting, may
be a clue to tropical systems paralleling
the US East Coast as they track N and NE.
Also, there is an area of heavier precip
over the NE Gulf of Mexico that is kind of
curious. Wondering if this means something?
The setup is pretty much the same for both
August and September.

October: Area of heavier precip near North
Carolina coast and near Cuba.

Looks like Caribbean stays dry for much of
the summer and also interestingly the western
Gulf of Mexico until September and October.


Thoughts are more than welcome!!

-Rob @ Crown Weather Services
http://www.crownweather.com



I really like seeing observations and discussions like this on the Dr's site. Especially when explained in lamens terms, it is posts like this that help me to look at the big picture, not just a day or two out....
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33. CybrTeddy 2:35 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Quoting JeffMasters:


Yes, $50 would not fund much research! Fixed.

Jeff


Might get them a nice coffee machine though!
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34. tornadofan 2:37 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Might get them a nice coffee machine though!


Caffeine may be all they need to improve forecasts! We just saved $50 million dollars with a $50 purchase.
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35. homegirl 2:41 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
I'm glad to see that at least someone out there understands that MORE BUREAUCRACY isn't needed...just proper funding for what is already in place.

Thanks Dr. Masters. :)
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36. AllStar17 2:41 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Is there any chance that the two waves (one at about 40 W) and the one just off the African coast develop. I know there is a lot of dust and dry air, but we continue to get closer to the Cape Verde Season.
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37. ajcamsmom2 2:41 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
what happened to waste not, want not???
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38. Orcasystems 2:42 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Quoting PcolaDan:
Happy B'day Canada Florida State University Section B style.

LINK

Note: "O Canada" has become the rally song of the fifth inning, sung whenever Florida State bats in the fifth. There are many, many rumors as to how this tradition was started, so it just depends on whom you ask. A Canadian flag was added to the Animals in 1991, and is now raised whenever the anthem is sung. We even sing %u201CO Canada%u201D in French from time to time if the mood hits us just right. It%u2019s become such a well-known tradition that even the organist at the ACC Tournament when it%u2019s in Durham, NC plays the anthem whenever FSU bats in the 5th inning.


I like it... now there is a place I could go visit :)
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39. Orcasystems 2:45 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Now correct me if I am wrong... is not this $50 Million just standard Pork Barrel funding? I was under the impression from watching the elections down there, that this was the standard way of getting funding.
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40. SomeRandomTexan 2:46 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Quoting JeffMasters:


Yes, $50 would not fund much research! Fixed.

Jeff


hehe! no doubt... I think I could fund the $50 project. Maybe I could get the facility named after me to...lol!

I love it when the Dr. post in the forums!!!
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41. SavannahStorm 2:49 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Hey, if we all sent in $50 we could get them a really nice cappuccino maker and a few cases of Red Bull. That should get productivity down there to an all-time high.
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42. stillwaiting 2:50 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
less than .28 inches of rain here in srq,meanwhile places like tampa/st pete have had on average 1-3 inches!!!1,where's the rain at????.....also I forgot to mention this yesterday,I was talking w/my nieghbor and he and his girlfriend told me a waterspout came off the water and basically lifted and the funnel went right over our houses!!!!!(I live on the beach)......and while this happened I was unfortunately training at my new job:(....this was the third waterspout I missed in the last week,all were less then a mile from my house,I just keep watching!!
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44. CStaWeatherMan 2:52 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Cudos Dr. Masters. We only have our voice and if we just write about it here then it does not mean much. Your words hopefully will direct the people living in this man's district to contact him and further his education on who he needs to talk to before spending the money on such a wasteful project. However, with politicians, no matter which party, they have their agenda outlined when they enter office and they owe the people who put them there so much that our words fall by the wayside. However, all is not lost. Let us get out our pens and set forth to at least let them know we know and are watching them. This sometimes works as they want to keep getting elected in office. In Numbers we can make the difference. Thank you Dr. Masters for steering us in the direction we need to go to make the difference in forecasting weather that effects us the greatest. All of us would not be on this site if we were not concerned about what Dr. Master's posted.
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45. moonlightcowboy 2:53 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
He demanded that such a hurricane research center be built in exchange for his vote for the controversial climate change bill passed Friday by the U.S. House...

And that folks, is how your so-called "leaders" conduct the business of the country! His vote was cast "not" on the merits of the bill, but as bribery for other legislation, a facility (most likey to benefit a contractor) that would be constructed even without the input of those that would run it! LOL. Pathetic.

Nice blog, Doc. Agreed. Thanks.
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46. Patrap 2:53 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
The LSU Earth Scan Lab does a Boatload of Hurricane Research already,with State,private funding.
No need to outlay more Fed funds.

ESL by LSU
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48. SomeRandomTexan 2:55 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Quoting SavannahStorm:
Hey, if we all sent in $50 we could get them a really nice cappuccino maker and a few cases of Red Bull. That should get productivity down there to an all-time high.


hah! it always helps mine... i think i have already guzzled 2 this morning
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49. WPBHurricane05 2:56 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:
Now correct me if I am wrong... is not this $50 Million just standard Pork Barrel funding? I was under the impression from watching the elections down there, that this was the standard way of getting funding.


Probably. Although IMO...if we don't have pork barrel funding, my representative would be useless.
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50. SavannahStorm 2:56 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
While I'm all for more proper funding for hurricane research, how about some more funding for hurricane response and recovery?

The one agency that knew what it was doing (and did a hell of a job doing it) after Katrina, the Coast Guard, has had its funding slashed a number of times. The Deepwater Program, which was to replace or retrofit the aging Coast Guard fleet of ships and aircraft, has had it's funding yanked. The CG already had a number of problems with equipment during its response to Katrina, so the next time they need to respond, it will be even harder.
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51. Patrap 2:57 PM GMT on July 01, 2009    
The Canadian Politicians call it "Canadian Bacon" I hear.
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