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Danny weakens; not likely to become a hurricane
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:39 PM GMT on August 27, 2009 +2
Tropical Storm Danny has weakened. Data from the Hurricane Hunters between 2 - 3 pm EDT showed top winds of just 40 - 45 mph at the surface. Satellite intensity estimates of Danny's strength have also declined since this morning. Danny's satellite appearance is pretty unconventional, and the storm doesn't look much like a tropical cyclone. The low level circulation center is exposed to view, with the heaviest thunderstorms lying several hundred miles east of the center. The center has remained nearly stationary the past four hours, and has grown less distinct. It is possible that a new center will form up to 100 miles to the east, in the region with the heaviest thunderstorm activity. Danny has already undergone several center relocations over the past 12 hours.


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image at 3:17 pm EDT of Danny, showing the exposed swirl of clouds where Danny's center is, well displaced from the heaviest thunderstorm activity to the east.

The forecast for Danny
There's not much new to report from the latest set of 12Z model runs for Danny. The models have pretty much maintained their previous forecast, calling for Danny to intensify to a Category 1 hurricane by Saturday morning, and pass close to both Cape Hatteras, NC, and Cape Cod, MA. Given that the models did not correctly forecast Danny's current struggles, I believe it is unlikely that Danny will attain hurricane strength. Dry air from the upper-level low that has been keeping Danny disorganized continues to be a problem for the storm, despite the presence of moderate wind shear of 10 - 15 knots. Danny only has about 24 hours of relatively favorable wind shear left, and that is probably not enough time to intensify into a hurricane. By Friday night, a trough of low pressure will approach the U.S. East Coast and bring high wind shear of 20 - 35 knots. Danny will be close enough to this trough that the trough may be able to feed energy to Danny as the trough converts Danny to an extratropical storm. As a result, Danny may not weaken only slowly. A landfall in Cape Cod, eastern Maine, or Nova Scotia as a tropical storm with 45 - 55 mph winds is a reasonable forecast.


Figure 3. Tropical wave 94L off the coast of Africa.

Invest 94L off the coast of Africa
A well-organized tropical wave (94L) lies a few hundred miles southwest of the Cape Verdes Islands, near the coast of Africa. This disturbance continues to look more organized on satellite imagery. Shear is low, about 10 knots, and waters are warm enough to support continued development. The dry Saharan Air Layer is relatively limited in extent and intensity, so dry air may have only a small inhibiting effect on the wave. Expect continued development of this wave as it moves westward over the next few days. NHC is giving this system a medium (30 - 50% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Saturday. This system is moving rather slowly, 10 - 15 mph. The GFDL and HWRF models both predict 94L will be a Category 1 hurricane five days from now. These models also predict that 94L will take a significant northward jog 3 - 5 days from now, in response to a strong trough of low pressure passing to the north (this is the same trough of low pressure that will be recurving Danny out to sea).

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1351. FLGatorCaneNut 12:04 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Morning Storm.... Hope that B-Day Cake that was being make yesterday evening was good....
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1353. MethaneMike 12:10 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Danny is similar in track to the 1914 storm which also occurred in a low sun spot environment. Click my blog above for details.
1354. HurricaneKing 12:13 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting P451:


When they first named it they discussed this as well. They said it had ST characteristics but it was slightly more tropical than sub tropical - and enough so that they made the distinction.

I don't have a problem with that - but yesterday's intensities of 55 and then 60mph while calling for strengthening was downright baffling.

I think they needed to make it clear in their advisories that any wind they found was far removed from the center in a very small area of the NE quadrant.

Yet, they didn't, so the less aware would assume they had a strong TS on their hands....when in fact, to even potentially get a wind gust anywhere near the stated intensity, the center of the system would have had to pass a good 150 miles west of your location.

Anyone getting a direct hit from Danny's "EYE" would have thought someone was playing a trick on them when it was partly cloudy with light winds during the event.



That happened a couple years ago with a TS that hit NC. It sheared apart at landfall so when the center hit it was just sprinkles but a small area to the east got 50-60mph winds and alot of rain. Everyone kept asking me where the ts was.
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1355. IKE 12:15 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Now that 94L is 850 miles WSW of the Cape Verde's you can throw out the earlier model runs. This one looks to go further west.

Model runs start from about 10N and 32W, when it actuality it's near 10N and 38W based on the relocation.
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1357. IKE 12:18 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
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1358. nchurricane 12:19 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
does any one think tat danny has some nice banding features to the north on the visible sat
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1359. stoormfury 12:20 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
IKE i did make mention of that scenario concerning 94L in a posting this morning. i am in total agreement with of the relocation and the dumping of the model runs
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1361. justalurker 12:21 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
good morning all!!

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1362. IKE 12:26 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
They must be talking about 94L?

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
423 AM AST FRI AUG 28 2009

.DISCUSSION...NO SIGNIFICANT WEATHER FEATURE TO AFFECT THE LOCAL
AREA FOR THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS. NEXT TROPICAL WAVE TO ENTER THE
EASTERN CARIBBEAN ON MONDAY AND THEN AFFECT THE LOCAL ISLANDS LATE
MONDAY INTO TUESDAY.
EXPECT A PLEASANT UPCOMING WEEKEND FOR MUCH
OF THE CWA...WITH SLIGHT CHANCES OF RAIN. HOWEVER...SECTIONS OF
WESTERN PUERTO RICO MAY EXPERIENCE A FEW MODERATE TO LOCALIZED
NUMEROUS SHOWERS THIS AFTERNOON.

FEW TROPICAL WAVES CROSSING THE FAR TROPICAL ATLANTIC...LOOKING
INTERESTING AT THIS TIME. WE WILL BE MONITORING THESE FEATURE`S
CLOSELY FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO SEVEN DAYS.
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1363. yonzabam 12:27 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting justalurker:
good morning all!!



Not ALL. It's 1.30 in the afternoon, here. Hello, anyway.
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1364. nrtiwlnvragn 12:28 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
Now that 94L is 850 miles WSW of the Cape Verde's you can throw out the earlier model runs. This one looks to go further west.

Model runs start from about 10N and 32W, when it actuality it's near 10N and 38W based on the relocation.


I think the 850 is a typo. Recent Quikscat showed a LLC ~32-33W.
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1366. blaketheturtle 12:28 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
What time will new model runs on 94L? I can never remember the intervals when the new ones become available.
1367. ackee 12:28 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
when will there be new model run on 94L seem like it has move even further south to me
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1372. KEHCharleston 12:34 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting leftovers:
dang baby just turned 18 is at home mild fever bad cough the school here in Merritt Isl. fl said there is an outbreak of swine flu running out of control here. should of named a storm after a pig this yr get ready

Good morning
Sorry to hear that - let us know how it goes.
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1375. IKE 12:34 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


I think the 850 is a typo. Recent Quikscat showed a LLC ~32-33W.


That blob near 38W is about 850 miles from the Cape Verde's.
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1376. HurricaneKing 12:34 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting P451:


An interesting thought and I thought about that as well but it would appear they will stay separate entities until they reach the Canadian Maritimes.

HPC Surface Analysis/Forecast



That front is behind the ull that's been stalled out over the southeast. It's (along with it's upper trough) what's started the ull in motion. A front is a surface feature and the upper level low is in the upper levels thus not on that map. Most models have them combining once they pass NC but with the way danny looks I think it could be happening sooner considering he's more west than they forecasted closer to the ull.
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1377. IKE 12:35 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting P451:


There's a wave at 52W - that must be the one.



TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 52W S OF 19N MOVING W NEAR 15 KT. WHILE
LOCATED BENEATH A WEAK UPPER LEVEL INVERTED TROUGH AND MODERATE
TO STRONG SUBSIDENCE ALOFT...ONLY A FEW SCATTERED SHOWERS ARE
NOTED IN THE VICINITY OF THE WAVE AXIS N OF THE ITCZ AXIS FROM
10N-15N BETWEEN 50W-57W.


Okay...thanks.....hadn't looked at the TWD.
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1378. Nolehead 12:35 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
morning everyone...Ike i agree...it's going to go west will need new models for sure....never ever like when they are moving that low...

leftovers... what have the local media been saying??
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1379. justalurker 12:36 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
@leftover, anyway's get well soon, just drink alot of juices and you will be fine..
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1380. Relix 12:36 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
So wait, can anyone tell me what's going on with 94L??
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1381. bingcrosby 12:36 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
I see Danny still looks like crap this morning. How is this still a TS?
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1383. justalurker 12:37 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting Relix:
So wait, can anyone tell me what's going on with 94L??


just a little south than models are projecting..
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1384. nola70119 12:38 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Snnnnnnnnoooooooooze
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1385. stoormfury 12:38 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
i will stick to my point that there is some form of relocation. looking at the RGB loops , it appears that a new centre is trying to form 9.9N 36W. this cyclonic turning is bigger and stronger than the one at 10N 32W
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1386. ackee 12:40 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting stoormfury:
i will stick to my point that there is some form of relocation. looking at the RGB loops , it appears that a new centre is trying to form 9.9N 36W. this cyclonic turning is bigger and stronger than the one at 10N 32W
U may be right
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1390. IKE 12:43 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting stoormfury:
i will stick to my point that there is some form of relocation. looking at the RGB loops , it appears that a new centre is trying to form 9.9N 36W. this cyclonic turning is bigger and stronger than the one at 10N 32W


I agree. Maybe WS/JFV can ask the NHC when he visits them today if the latest TWO is a typo? j/k.

In all seriousness, I've looked at 94L again and again with visible this morning and it looks like the 850 distance from the Cape Verde's is legit.
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1391. KEHCharleston 12:44 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting leftovers:
school said if the temp. is over 101 take em to the doctor so far so good have a good day you all. sanitizer man! so far so good hurricane season 2009
My granddaughter was taken to the ER one night not too long ago with a sudden fever of 104. (She is 3 years old) They had her drinking water, to prevent dehydration. A nurse came in with a cup, and told her she needed to pee into it. My Granddaughter looked at her Mom and said 'But I don't want to drink pee'
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1392. Relix 12:45 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting StormW:
1380. Relix 8:36 AM EDT on August 28, 2009
So wait, can anyone tell me what's going on with 94L??



TROPICAL WEATHER SYNOPSIS /DANNY/ /94L/ AUG. 28, 2009 ISSUED 8:00 A.M. EDT


Ah you are a lifesaver, thanks a lot. So the general course of the storm "should" take it away from the islands right, especially with the NW movement? It's currently quite a bit SW of the model runs so I am pretty sure that will change the whole overall look on this. Thanks a lot StormW!
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1394. IKE 12:45 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
I see Danny's bare COC now on the 1215UTC visible...

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1395. Relix 12:46 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
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1396. IKE 12:48 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting Relix:


Ah you are a lifesaver, thanks a lot. So the general course of the storm "should" take it away from the islands right, especially with the NW movement? It's currently quite a bit SW of the model runs so I am pretty sure that will change the whole overall look on this. Thanks a lot StormW!


He never said NW movement....Based on forecast steering layers, the disturbance should continue on a basic westerly course for the next 36 hours, with a possible short term motion to the WNW, being brought back on a slight north of west motion afterward.
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1399. bwat 12:52 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
I see Danny's bare COC now on the 1215UTC visible...

I hate to ask a dumb question, but if you overlay the tropical points over the visable sat loop, doesent that put Danny a good bit left of the current forecast points? Or is what I;m looking at not the CoC?Link
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1400. Relix 12:53 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


He never said NW movement....Based on forecast steering layers, the disturbance should continue on a basic westerly course for the next 36 hours, with a possible short term motion to the WNW, being brought back on a slight north of west motion afterward.


Oh thank you. I understood north west haha, hey I woke up 20 minutes ago! Thanks for the clarification =)
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1401. Orcasystems 12:53 PM GMT on August 28, 2009    
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