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Ida takes aim at the U.S. Gulf Coast
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 11:17 PM GMT on November 08, 2009 +1
Hurricane Ida burst into the Gulf of Mexico as a Category 2 hurricane with 100 mph winds this afternoon, and is poised to deliver a solid blow to the U.S. Gulf Coast between Southeast Louisiana and the Florida Panhandle on Tuesday morning. Radar imagery out of Cancun reveals that Ida has retained its tight inner core this afternoon, with only limited rain bands affecting Mexico and western Cuba. Top winds at Cancun, Mexico today were only 15 mph, despite the fact that Ida passed just 60 miles east of the city. Infrared and visible satellite loops show little change in the intensity of Ida's heavy thunderstorms this afternoon, but the cloud pattern is beginning to become distorted due to strong upper-level winds from the southwest that are creating 20 - 25 knots of wind shear over the hurricane. Water vapor satellite imagery reveals a large area of dry air to the southwest of Ida, but this dry air has not yet intruded into Ida's core. The latest 5:30 pm EST vortex report from the Hurricane Hunters showed that the central pressure had risen 1 mb, to 977 mb, but that the surface winds were still near 100 mph. They noted that the eyewall was open to the east, a sign that Ida's inner core may be in trouble.


Figure 1. MODIS satellite image from NASA's Terra spacecraft, taken at 1:35 pm EST 11/08/09. Image credit: NASA.

The intensity forecast for Ida
The high wind shear of 20 - 25 knots currently affecting Ida is forecast to persist at that level until Monday night. With the storm now beginning to show a distortion of the cloud pattern due to this shear, it would not be a surprise of the shear managed to inject some dry air into Ida's core Monday morning, significantly weakening the storm. Aiding this process will be cooler waters. Early Monday morning, Ida will be crossing over waters of 26°C, which is barely enough to support a hurricane. By Monday night, wind shear is expected to increase to 40 knots, which ordinarily would begin to tear the storm apart. This wind shear is due to an extratropical low pressure system over the western Gulf of Mexico, and this low will begin dumping cold, stable air into Ida Monday night through Tuesday. This will cause Ida to begin transitioning to an extratropical storm, and it is possible that during the transition Ida's winds will die down relatively slowly, despite the wind shear. The intensity forecast has a high amount of uncertainty, and I wouldn't be surprised at a landfall strength anywhere in the range of 45 mph - 80 mph. My personal best guess is a 50 - 60 mph tropical storm at landfall. Regardless of Ida's strength at landfall, the storm will be able to dump 4 - 8 inches of rain along the Gulf Coast, from New Orleans to Panama City. Isolated tornadoes will also be possible, primarily to the right side of Ida's track.


Figure 2. Maximum storm surge (depth of water above ground) for a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds moving north-northeast at 15 mph. Ida is expected to be moving at this speed and direction at landfall, but will probably be weaker, so surges will not be this high. Image credit: NOAA SLOSH model run for Mobile Bay, 2008 version. Heights are given relative to the NAVD88 datum.

The storm surge forecast for Ida
Storm surge is the other major concern for Ida. With a strong high pressure system anchored over the U.S. today, the pressure difference between this high and Ida is creating a strong pressure gradient that will drive tides 3 - 5 feet above normal from New Orleans to the Florida Panhandle tonight. As Ida approaches on Monday, an additional rise in water will occur, and a large stretch of coast will be subject to very high water levels for an extended period of time. With battering waves building Monday afternoon into Tuesday morning, a significant coastal erosion event is shaping up. A particular concern is the western end of Alabama's Dauphin Island, where storm surges from four hurricanes over the past fifteen years have caused heavy damage to the low-lying heavily developed island. If Ida makes a direct hit on Mobile Bay as a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds, a storm surge of up to six feet is possible there, assuming the storm hits at mean tide. The tidal range along the Gulf Coast varies by about 1.5 feet between low and high tide (Figure 3). High tide is near 2 am EST on Tuesday, but the official NHC forecast currently has the storm hitting between 6 am - 9 am, when the tide will be going out, so the storm may indeed be hitting at about mean tide.


Figure 3. The tide forecast for the Gulf Coast calls for high tide to occur around 2 am EST Tuesday morning. Ida is expected to hit later that morning, while the tide is going out.

I'll have an update Monday morning.

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101. ElConando 11:57 PM GMT on November 08, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
Starting to accelerate. Now only about 420 miles from landfall.



Sounds close, less than a Trip from Miami to Tallahassee.
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102. Detrina 11:57 PM GMT on November 08, 2009    
so there is no more hook to the right/eastward turn to worry about now?
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103. Beachfoxx 11:58 PM GMT on November 08, 2009    
Dan,
Ah, geez, I certainly hope not! Was out there in late July.
Another thought is the Destin Harbor, its been closing up and already need dredging.
Going to be an interesting storm no matter where she blows.
Quoting PcolaDan:


Was out on Ft Pickens road earlier today. Would not be at all surprised if it gets breached again, after it finally reopened just this year. :(
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104. MiamiHurricanes09 11:58 PM GMT on November 08, 2009    
Very uncalled for advisory. I wonder why the winds are at 105MPH.
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105. kmanislander 11:59 PM GMT on November 08, 2009    
Ida reintensifying and can still make Cat 3 IMO

Now 105 mph. Not much more to go for Cat 3 and cloud tops very cold and becoming symmetrical.
Pressure should fall again soon in response to the deep convection that has returned.
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106. FLWeatherFreak91 11:59 PM GMT on November 08, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Very uncalled for advisory. I wonder why the winds are at 105MPH.
Uncalled for? What they say goes.
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107. weathermanwannabe 11:59 PM GMT on November 08, 2009    
Good thing is that is will be a fairly rapid event once she starts the turn and picks up speed..........All the more reason for all boating and marine interests along the Gulf to take their precautions tommorow before things start to ramp up in earnest as early as tommorow afternoon/evening.
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108. Rainman32 11:59 PM GMT on November 08, 2009    
Haven't had too many opportunities this year to show off the RainmanWeather 3D Weather Radar but looks like we have one for the next few days. Key West is looking pretty cool right now with the edge of Ida in view.. starting to barely come into view for Tampa, and will have all the closest ones running as "floaters" next few days. Unfortunately KEVX Eglin AFB/Red Bay FL has been down for going on a couple of weeks now! wonder what the odds are they will get it fixed in time.




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109. ElConando 11:59 PM GMT on November 08, 2009    
Kerry in NOLA hasn't been here in a while. Did he say no Hurricanes in the gulf or no land falling ones?
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110. amd 11:59 PM GMT on November 08, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Very uncalled for advisory. I wonder why the winds are at 105MPH.


the NHC based the max winds on the much higher flight level winds (103-108 kts). Do a regular reduction of 10 to 15%, you have around 90 kts and 105 mph.

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111. IKE 12:00 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting PcolaDan:


I'm gonna slap you if you keep this up!!! :)


j/k


18Z HWRF......brings it near Pensacola....in 30-36 hours.

Sorry...looks like I get slapped.
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112. RufusBaker 12:00 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Very uncalled for advisory. I wonder why the winds are at 105MPH.
Uh probably because the recon found 105mph winds???
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113. AwakeInMaryland 12:00 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
'evening. If I post something that was posted before, pls. cut me some slack; figure if I help even 1 person it's worth iggy button :)

Associated Press article; bold is mine.

La. Gov. declares emergency ahead of hurricane Ida

By BECKY BOHRER (AP) – 1 hour ago

NEW ORLEANS — Hurricane Ida, the first Atlantic hurricane to target the United States this year, plodded Sunday toward the Gulf Coast with 100 mph winds, bringing the threat of flooding and storm surges.

A hurricane watch extended over more than 200 miles of coastline across southeastern Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida Panhandle. Louisiana's governor declared a state of emergency.

Authorities said Ida could make landfall as early as Tuesday morning, although it was forecast to weaken by then. Officials and residents kept a close eye on the Category 2 hurricane as it approached, though there were no immediate plans for evacuations.

At 1 p.m. EST, Ida was located 510 miles south-southeast of the mouth of the Mississippi River and moving northwest near 10 mph. The latest forecast from the National Hurricane Center shows Ida brushing near Louisiana and Mississippi, then making landfall near Alabama before continuing across north Florida.

Yet many residents took the forecast in stride.

"Even though we're telling everybody to be prepared, my gut tells me it probably won't be that bad," said Steve Arndt, director of Bay Point Marina Co. in Panama City, Fla.

In Louisiana, Gov. Bobby Jindal had declared a state of emergency as a precaution, and the National Guard was on high alert if assistance was needed. New Orleans wasn't included in the hurricane watch.

But officials were encouraging residents to prepare for potential gusts of 60 mph by removing any tree limbs that could damage their homes and securing or bringing in any trash cans, grills, potted plants or patio furniture.

Nearly 1,400 Louisiana residents are still living in federally issued trailers and mobile homes after hurricanes Katrina and Rita; nearly 360 units remained in Mississippi.

"FEMA stresses that those in temporary (housing) units should not take chances," Federal Emergency Management Agency spokesman Andrew Thomas said. "Leave the unit behind and evacuate to a permanent structure that will better withstand tropical weather systems and the associated winds."

Mississippi authorities warned residents to be vigilant. Authorities were monitoring conditions to see whether any evacuations of lower-lying areas or school closures would be necessary.

"It is likely we will at least be hit with strong winds and some flooding in our coastal counties," said Jeff Rent, a spokesman for the Mississippi Emergency Management Agency. Officials "do not want anybody to be caught off guard."

Mississippi Emergency Management Agency Director Mike Womack said forecasts called for tides of 4-7 feet above normal and rainfall totals of 5-7 inches within 24 hours, which could mean flooding along the coasts and along rivers.

Alabama emergency management officials did not immediately respond to phone messages. (ed: tailgating party?)

In the Florida Panhandle, residents in Bay County and Panama City were being advised to secure boats and prepare for storm surges that could reach 2-3 feet. Heavy rain, wind and possible flooding was also expected.

"You really don't know until it gets close how you're going to be affected by it," said Brad Monroe, Bay County's deputy chief of emergency services.

Ida wasn't expected to pack the wallop seen in 2008 when hurricanes Gustav and Ike pelted the Gulf Coast back-to-back. There have been nine named storms this season, which ends Dec. 1. Ida is only the third hurricane to form, and neither of the others threatened land.

Ida wasn't expected to directly threaten New Orleans, where unflappable fans at the Saints football game seemed unaware a storm was approaching.

"We're used to tropical storms," said David Clements of Chalmette, La. "That's why we have a dome."

Earlier Sunday, Ida's wind and rain whipped palm trees in the Mexican resort city of Cancun. Fishermen tied their boats down, though tourists seemed to regard it as a minor setback.

"It's not what we expected," said Kathleen Weisser, a nurse from Fernley, Nev. "We wanted sun. Instead we have liquid sunshine."

Ron Kaczorowski, of Chicago, said his daughter was forced to move her beach wedding inside because of the storm. He said he had tried to reassure his disappointed daughter that the nasty weather would make her wedding stand out.

"I told her, 'How many people get married in a hurricane?'"

Associated Press writers Suzette Laboy in Miami and Catherine E. Shoichet in Cancun contributed to this story.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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114. MiamiHurricanes09 12:00 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
NHC expecting it to start moving NW, that track better move to the right at 10PM.

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115. 850Realtor 12:00 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Beachfoxx:
We have many homes sitting very close to sea level on the bay... There are some condos & homes in the area that may have some flooding if the beach erosion is bad enough. Our beaches have been hammered since '05 and there are areas that suffer more than others. Hopefully people are beginning to look at Ida and take her seriously. Erosion, copious amounts of rainfall, flooding, wind, tornadoes... going to be an interesting storm.


We still have ALOT of homes on the ground instead of raised in SW Pcola! I'm at 7.5 ft! The condos and all construction since 2005 probably will be OK. Just erosion at the beaches and will probably wash out the beach roads that were just completed from when Ivan jacked them all up in 2004. Those of us not on stilts may have a serious problem between higher tides and storm surge!
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116. kmanislander 12:00 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Very uncalled for advisory. I wonder why the winds are at 105MPH.


Probably just caught up to the earlier pressure fall. Eye down to 8 miles in diameter.
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117. alaina1085 12:01 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
WOOOT Saints just WON!! Sorry im excited. Where's Pat now? lol.

So wait Ida has strengthened?
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118. CaneWarning 12:01 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I guess Ida will be a non-event for me.
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119. BurnedAfterPosting 12:01 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Uncalled for?

lol
120. IKE 12:01 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Detrina:
so there is no more hook to the right/eastward turn to worry about now?


Don't think that's going to happen. It may turn near or at landfall.
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121. ElConando 12:02 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


Probably just caught up to the earlier pressure fall. Eye down to 8 miles in diameter.


Its intensifying nicely, hopefully nothing too much.
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122. K8tina 12:02 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Beachfoxx:

Another thought is the Destin Harbor, its been closing up and already need dredging.
Going to be an interesting storm no matter where she blows.

Don't let Peter Bos hear you talk like that! You know how much $$$ he put into his monstrosity, er, I mean, condo-complex on the harbor to only have it sand-locked (or worse, fall into the East Pass)! ;)
123. gordydunnot 12:03 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
did someone kidnap 456.
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124. MiamiHurricanes09 12:03 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting FLWeatherFreak91:
Uncalled for? What they say goes.
I didn't find any 105MPH surface winds. Guess they see something we don't.
Quoting amd:


the NHC must respect the much higher flight level winds (103-108 kts). Do a regular reduction of 10 to 15%, you have around 90 kts and 105 mph.

I didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know.
Quoting RufusBaker:
Uh probably because the recon found 105mph winds???
Please show me something that Recon picked up with 105 MPH surface winds.
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125. Detrina 12:03 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Cool! thx Ike:)
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126. Patrap 12:03 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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127. BurnedAfterPosting 12:04 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
#124 quit whining lol

geez

I do think the turn to the right will happen, timing is everything though
128. RufusBaker 12:04 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I have been looking at the latest visible sat loop and it looks like Ida is moving due north now
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129. Beachfoxx 12:04 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
ROFLMAO.......
and the wall comes tumbling down...
Quoting K8tina:

Don't let Peter Bos hear you talk like that! You know how much $$$ he put into his monstrosity, er, I mean, condo-complex on the harbor to only have it sand-locked (or worse, fall into the East Pass)! ;)
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130. ElConando 12:05 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
NHC expecting it to start moving NW, that track better move to the right at 10PM.



Remember sir. The track does not change during int advisory, EVER. So it will look weird from time to time.

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131. IKE 12:05 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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132. MiamiHurricanes09 12:05 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting alaina1085:
WOOOT Saints just WON!! Sorry im excited. Where's Pat now? lol.

So wait Ida has strengthened?
I live in Miami but I'm still a huge Saints fan. Go Saints! There is still 50 seconds left. lol.
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133. taistelutipu 12:05 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Hi folks,

wow, I have been off for a while and when I now check back on the blog I see a hurricane in the GOM. What a surprise.


Re: 55. Re: 52. Re: 50. (a.k.a. the steering explanation)

Thanks guys, now it makes sense why the steering layer for major hurricanes was posted. It had me a bit confused and I also thought that Ida is surely not going to intensify to 940 mb but when looking at the steering layer for the appropriate pressure it looks quite different as you can see here:



Interesting, that the higher layer already shows what the lower ones will be like in the near future. Anyone's take on that?

Anyway, thanks for explaining why the steering changes acgreen305 and BurnedAfterPosting.

Cheers,
tipsku
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134. Ameister12 12:05 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting alaina1085:
WOOOT Saints just WON!! Sorry im excited. Where's Pat now? lol.

So wait Ida has strengthened?

Yes it has.

Winds: 105 mph
Minimal Central Pressure: 979 mb
Moving: North-Northwest at 12 mph.
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135. weathermanwannabe 12:06 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Looking like the possibility that my little one might not be marching with her Brownie Troop in the Veteran's Day Parade in Tally on Wed morning given the current track forcast.
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136. Beachfoxx 12:06 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Thats true for some ares over your direction... I have a place over there & Perdido Key still has not recovered.
Quoting 850Realtor:


We still have ALOT of homes on the ground instead of raised in SW Pcola! I'm at 7.5 ft! The condos and all construction since 2005 probably will be OK. Just erosion at the beaches and will probably wash out the beach roads that were just completed from when Ivan jacked them all up in 2004. Those of us not on stilts may have a serious problem between higher tides and storm surge!
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137. MiamiHurricanes09 12:06 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:
#124 quit whining lol

geez

I do think the turn to the right will happen, timing is everything though
lol, you are correct though.
Quoting ElConando:


Remember sir. The track does not change during int advisory, EVER. So it will look weird from time to time.

yes i know, sir. But thanks for reminding me.
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138. alaina1085 12:06 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I live in Miami but I'm still a huge Saints fan. Go Saints! There is still 50 seconds left. lol.


I know, hopefully I didnt speak to soon LOL.
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139. ElConando 12:07 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I was about to say they don't change forward speed in int advisories but I remember that they do.
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140. IKE 12:07 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Back in about an hour.

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141. MiamiHurricanes09 12:08 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
Convection firing up....not good...
very true. But what is funny is that she was circular before the channel. Got squished to fit through the channel. And know is getting fat because it has a lot of open water. lol.
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142. Dakster 12:08 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
You know, I am going to hate going to bed tonight, not knowing what Ida will do. I don't like surprises and I feel there is still a trick or two up her sleeve.
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143. Beachfoxx 12:08 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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144. MiamiHurricanes09 12:09 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting alaina1085:


I know, hopefully I didnt speak to soon LOL.
lol, they won. 8-0, baby!
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145. atmoaggie 12:09 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting gordydunnot:
did someone kidnap 456.

No he got banned for a posting an on-topic image.
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146. weathermanwannabe 12:09 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Gotta get the kids ready for school tommorow...See everyone tommorow.
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147. tornadodude 12:10 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

No he got banned for a posting an on-topic image.


for real????
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148. kmanislander 12:10 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

No he got banned for a posting an on-topic image.


On topic ??
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149. alaina1085 12:11 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
lol, they won. 8-0, baby!


/me (does her touchdown dance with Ida!)
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150. xcool 12:11 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
8.0 we win haha
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151. MiamiHurricanes09 12:11 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Looking good but still no eye. Could be the first major hurricane in a long tome with NO eye.
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