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Ida takes aim at the U.S. Gulf Coast
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 11:17 PM GMT on November 08, 2009 +1
Hurricane Ida burst into the Gulf of Mexico as a Category 2 hurricane with 100 mph winds this afternoon, and is poised to deliver a solid blow to the U.S. Gulf Coast between Southeast Louisiana and the Florida Panhandle on Tuesday morning. Radar imagery out of Cancun reveals that Ida has retained its tight inner core this afternoon, with only limited rain bands affecting Mexico and western Cuba. Top winds at Cancun, Mexico today were only 15 mph, despite the fact that Ida passed just 60 miles east of the city. Infrared and visible satellite loops show little change in the intensity of Ida's heavy thunderstorms this afternoon, but the cloud pattern is beginning to become distorted due to strong upper-level winds from the southwest that are creating 20 - 25 knots of wind shear over the hurricane. Water vapor satellite imagery reveals a large area of dry air to the southwest of Ida, but this dry air has not yet intruded into Ida's core. The latest 5:30 pm EST vortex report from the Hurricane Hunters showed that the central pressure had risen 1 mb, to 977 mb, but that the surface winds were still near 100 mph. They noted that the eyewall was open to the east, a sign that Ida's inner core may be in trouble.


Figure 1. MODIS satellite image from NASA's Terra spacecraft, taken at 1:35 pm EST 11/08/09. Image credit: NASA.

The intensity forecast for Ida
The high wind shear of 20 - 25 knots currently affecting Ida is forecast to persist at that level until Monday night. With the storm now beginning to show a distortion of the cloud pattern due to this shear, it would not be a surprise of the shear managed to inject some dry air into Ida's core Monday morning, significantly weakening the storm. Aiding this process will be cooler waters. Early Monday morning, Ida will be crossing over waters of 26°C, which is barely enough to support a hurricane. By Monday night, wind shear is expected to increase to 40 knots, which ordinarily would begin to tear the storm apart. This wind shear is due to an extratropical low pressure system over the western Gulf of Mexico, and this low will begin dumping cold, stable air into Ida Monday night through Tuesday. This will cause Ida to begin transitioning to an extratropical storm, and it is possible that during the transition Ida's winds will die down relatively slowly, despite the wind shear. The intensity forecast has a high amount of uncertainty, and I wouldn't be surprised at a landfall strength anywhere in the range of 45 mph - 80 mph. My personal best guess is a 50 - 60 mph tropical storm at landfall. Regardless of Ida's strength at landfall, the storm will be able to dump 4 - 8 inches of rain along the Gulf Coast, from New Orleans to Panama City. Isolated tornadoes will also be possible, primarily to the right side of Ida's track.


Figure 2. Maximum storm surge (depth of water above ground) for a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds moving north-northeast at 15 mph. Ida is expected to be moving at this speed and direction at landfall, but will probably be weaker, so surges will not be this high. Image credit: NOAA SLOSH model run for Mobile Bay, 2008 version. Heights are given relative to the NAVD88 datum.

The storm surge forecast for Ida
Storm surge is the other major concern for Ida. With a strong high pressure system anchored over the U.S. today, the pressure difference between this high and Ida is creating a strong pressure gradient that will drive tides 3 - 5 feet above normal from New Orleans to the Florida Panhandle tonight. As Ida approaches on Monday, an additional rise in water will occur, and a large stretch of coast will be subject to very high water levels for an extended period of time. With battering waves building Monday afternoon into Tuesday morning, a significant coastal erosion event is shaping up. A particular concern is the western end of Alabama's Dauphin Island, where storm surges from four hurricanes over the past fifteen years have caused heavy damage to the low-lying heavily developed island. If Ida makes a direct hit on Mobile Bay as a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds, a storm surge of up to six feet is possible there, assuming the storm hits at mean tide. The tidal range along the Gulf Coast varies by about 1.5 feet between low and high tide (Figure 3). High tide is near 2 am EST on Tuesday, but the official NHC forecast currently has the storm hitting between 6 am - 9 am, when the tide will be going out, so the storm may indeed be hitting at about mean tide.


Figure 3. The tide forecast for the Gulf Coast calls for high tide to occur around 2 am EST Tuesday morning. Ida is expected to hit later that morning, while the tide is going out.

I'll have an update Monday morning.

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1451. Patrap 8:49 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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1452. Patrap 8:53 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:
First off I AM NOT A MET. Dont listen to me always listen to the NHC and local officials. Now having said that... I really think Ida is beeing steered by that broad low pressure to her west. She seems to going around the periphery of that low. The upper level flow is to her north where basically the whole mess is going. But she is going in the same direction as the low level flow aroud the low. I know i know, I'm not bashing the NHC but I don't get their forecast.


Been watching that for Hours and Im in agreement on that issue.

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1453. IKE 8:53 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:



Looks close between you and Me Ike.. Im thinking along with a call I had a Hour ago.
Strong TS come 6pm CDT.

Near WaveLand..Over to Biloxi,But a point wont matter by then Im thinking


I hope it's that far west.

Encouraging news.

I don't see anyone left on here talking about it going NNE or NE...lol. Or hitting peninsula Florida.

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1454. Patrap 8:54 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Ida also rounding out a newer CoC to the Sw of the MAin Convection Pattern.

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1455. Fshhead 8:56 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Homeless, I dont get the NHC'S forecasts 1/2 the time either, so I here ya! LOL All I know is take Wilma for instance, since thats one that impacted me. Man they had that storm pinned like 5-6 days out that it was comin to S. Fla. Thats with that crazy stall over the Yucatan AND the NE movement into us. Woof I will NEVER forget that night when Wilma bombed!! Watched it on the sats.
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1456. homelesswanderer 8:57 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


Been watching that for Hours and Im in agreement on that issue.



Yeah me too. This is a complicated set up, but thats how it looks to me.
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1457. Patrap 8:59 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


Yeah me too. This is a complicated set up, but thats how it looks to me.


But you stick with your obs and thats all one can do here. Fishing and wishing is for the Birds,,or crows.
Always best to call it like ya see it in my book.
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1458. Fshhead 9:00 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
They are REALLY good at tracks, now intensity forecasts, Ummm results could be a tad better LOL They will be the 1st ones to admit that..
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1459. Patrap 9:02 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Ike,If your here,check the MSLP and TFP's on this Funktop Loop and give me a feedback,Im a tad groggy.

Floater - Funktop Color Infrared Loop
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1460. homelesswanderer 9:03 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Fshhead:
Homeless, I dont get the NHC'S forecasts 1/2 the time either, so I here ya! LOL All I know is take Wilma for instance, since thats one that impacted me. Man they had that storm pinned like 5-6 days out that it was comin to S. Fla. Thats with that crazy stall over the Yucatan AND the NE movement into us. Woof I will NEVER forget that night when Wilma bombed!! Watched it on the sats.


I didn't get to this site until last year. But I searched the doc's blogs for 2005. A week before Rita hit the GFS had it nailed exactly. I don't know if they varied from it but it was right that day. I didn't see Ritas sats til last year. We also had a fast developer bomb out on our coast. But thank heaven Humberto was no Wilma. But he sirprised everyone. Lol.
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1461. Fshhead 9:06 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Yea this one suprised me, I was at work the other day & they had the tv going. I heard TS on the news & I was like What The... LOL
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1462. IKE 9:07 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Looks like it might be starting to turn extratropical...faster then what is forecast....and may be going further west then what the NHC is forecasting.

Not sure it will make landfall as a cane.
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1463. Patrap 9:09 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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1464. homelesswanderer 9:11 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Fshhead:
Yea this one suprised me, I was at work the other day & they had the tv going. I heard TS on the news & I was like What The... LOL


Yes Ida is still surprising me. Just by being a hurricane that far in the gulf and in November! Lol. Well it has been interesting following this one. Of course some of the models made me dizzy. I never seen such looping tracks. But like I said just 1 year here. :)
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1465. Patrap 9:11 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
The incredible shrinking Mass..LOL

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1466. 789 9:12 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
IDA Steering Layer 300-850mb - West Atlantic - Latest Available
left hook !
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1467. Patrap 9:12 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Will the CDO make 90 west?
Will it wind down before Landfall?

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1468. Patrap 9:13 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting 789:
left hook !


Say it like it iz for now,789
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1469. OGal 9:14 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Good Mornin Guys, wow Pat the mass is truly shrinking. So now disapate. We may not have much more of a system to watch.
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1470. IKE 9:15 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
The incredible shrinking Mass..LOL



And it races off to the west/northwest.

Water vapor loop says it all.

Looks like extratropical may have started.
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1471. Patrap 9:16 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


And it races off to the west/northwest.

water vapor loop says it all.

Looks like extratropical may have started.


Thats what The Intensity showed at the 06Z run,..Peaked now,,then spreads out and down in Mph

Late Cycle run.



Early Cycle 06Z

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1472. homelesswanderer 9:16 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Will the CDO make 90 west?
Will it wind down before Landfall?



I'd say both. And her demise has even showed up on the funktop I've been following.
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1473. homelesswanderer 9:18 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


And it races off to the west/northwest.

Water vapor loop says it all.

Looks like extratropical may have started.


I was wondering, did the BOC low become extra tropical? It got a lot bigger throughout the day.
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1474. 789 9:19 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


Say it like it iz for now,789
nice job today thanks & roflmao out for awhile oz have fun , safe
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1475. Patrap 9:20 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting 789:
nice job today thanks & roflmao out for awhile oz have fun , safe


Take it EZ,.always fun to watch a Fray evolve..

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1476. jpritch 9:22 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I don't think it's making a transition yet - but the dry air isn't doing it any favors.
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1477. IKE 9:23 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


I was wondering, did the BOC low become extra tropical? It got a lot bigger throughout the day.


Looks like it's all combining into one extra-tropical low....
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1478. Patrap 9:23 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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1479. IKE 9:28 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I'm going back to snooze-land.

Check back in a couple of hours, to see what's left of Ida.
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1480. homelesswanderer 9:29 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


Looks like it's all combining into one extra-tropical low....


Oh ok. Thanks that's what the models were showing. I just thought the BOC low would be smaller.
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1481. Patrap 9:29 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Im gonna Hang to dawn to see the Sky and take a Day off and snooze thru it.

Mobile Long Range

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1482. homelesswanderer 9:30 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
I'm going back to snooze-land.

Check back in a couple of hours, to see what's left of Ida.


Sweet dreams Ike. :)
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1483. Patrap 9:32 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
NOLA Long Range,Zoomed 20 %

Ida shows up in the right Hand corner

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1484. Patrap 9:34 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Busy Aloft

NEXRAD Radar
New Orleans, Storm Relative Mean Radial Velocity 1.45 Degree Elevation Range 124 NMI

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1485. bamakat 9:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Good morning all. Any updates as to where Ida is coming ashore?
1486. futuremet 9:58 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
I'm going back to snooze-land.

Check back in a couple of hours, to see what's left of Ida.


You don't have to, for she will already be knocking on your door lol.
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1487. Patrap 10:01 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Ida quickly going Extra-Tropical as a Whole new CoC is taking over Sw of the Old CoC

Floater - Rainbow Color Infrared Loop

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1488. Patrap 10:03 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
SW IR Still

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1489. futuremet 10:07 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
There is the potential for an incredible powerful extratropical system to form later this week if the every goes just right. An area of low pressure associated with a deformation zone is currently developing. This system is currently under the influence of a ridge and is moving westward. Some of the models are expecting it to merge with IDA--creating mega extratropical cyclone. Some models go even as far as stall the massive extratropical low near the U.S., creating windy conditions for days.
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1490. KoritheMan 10:08 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
The inland wind impact could be far worse than was initially anticipated if Ida goes extratropical now -- this was earlier than expected.
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1491. futuremet 10:18 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting jpritch:
I don't think it's making a transition yet - but the dry air isn't doing it any favors.


The dry air is certainly hastening the conversion into a tropical cyclone. Cold air entrainment will be more significant in a asymmetrical tropical cyclone. Ida will start to interact substantially with the shortwave in about 3-6hrs.
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1492. HadesGodWyvern 10:20 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Joint Typhoon Warning Center

Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert (0900z 09NOV)
===============================================
An area of convection (92B) located near 11.1N 71.3E or 300 NM west-northwest of Cochrin, India. Animated infrared satellite imagery shows multiple bands of deep convection starting to consolidate about the low level circulation center, which is well defined in a 0400z Quikscat Pass. Upper level analysis reveals the system is under the subtropical ridge axis in an area of low to moderate vertical wind shear with fair radial outflow.

Maximum sustained winds near the center is 25-30 knots with a minimum sea level pressure of 1002 MB. Due to the increased convective consolidation, the potential for this disturbance to form into a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is UPGRADED GOOD
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1493. Patrap 10:22 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Ida closes out her Tropical Life as the Dvorak winks out and goes xtra..at 0421 CDT

Floater - Dvorak Infrared Loop
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1494. HadesGodWyvern 10:24 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Japan Meteorological Agency
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #8
TROPICAL DEPRESSION 27
18:00 PM JST November 9 2009
=========================================

SUBJECT: Tropical Depression near Wake Island

At 9:00 AM UTC, Tropical Depression (1002 hPa) located at 20.8N 160.6E has 10 minute sustained winds of 30 knots with gusts of 45 knots. The depression is reported as moving east at 6 knots

RSMC Dvorak Intensity:

Forecast and Intensity
======================
24 HRS: 25.2N 164.4E - 35 knots (CAT 1/Tropical Storm)

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*JTWC has issued its final advisory on this system expecting the system to dissipate overseas.. hmm
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1495. Patrap 10:26 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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1496. HadesGodWyvern 10:26 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
FKPQ30 RJTD 090600
TC ADVISORY
DTG: 20091109/0600Z
TCAC: TOKYO
TC: Depression 27
NR: 4
PSN: N2035 E16035
MOV: E 10KT
C: 1002HPA
MAX WIND: 30KT
FCST PSN 6HR: 09/1200Z N2055 E16135
FCST MAX WIND 6HR: 35KT

FCST PSN 12HR: 09/1800Z N2155 E16225
FCST MAX WIND 12HR: 35KT
FCST PSN 18HR: 10/0000Z N2325 E16305
FCST MAX WIND 18HR: 35KT
FCST PSN 24HR: 10/0600Z N2455 E16400
FCST MAX WIND 24HR: 35KT
RMK: NIL
NXT MSG: 20091109/1200Z =

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1497. HadesGodWyvern 10:33 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
*note to self stop killing the blog
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1498. WxLogic 10:44 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Good morning... on shortly. Ida sure looks like she has lost her tropical looks already... big time..
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1499. stormwatcherCI 10:45 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting HadesGodWyvern:
*note to self stop killing the blog
You didn't kill the blog. I think most of them are getting a little rest before Ida greets them later today. LOL
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1500. stormwatcherCI 10:45 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting WxLogic:
Good morning... on shortly. Ida sure looks like she has lost her tropical looks already... big time..
Yes, but she stills has very strong winds capable of doing severe damage.
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1501. Patrap 10:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Morning WX..
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