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Ida takes aim at the U.S. Gulf Coast
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 11:17 PM GMT on November 08, 2009 +1
Hurricane Ida burst into the Gulf of Mexico as a Category 2 hurricane with 100 mph winds this afternoon, and is poised to deliver a solid blow to the U.S. Gulf Coast between Southeast Louisiana and the Florida Panhandle on Tuesday morning. Radar imagery out of Cancun reveals that Ida has retained its tight inner core this afternoon, with only limited rain bands affecting Mexico and western Cuba. Top winds at Cancun, Mexico today were only 15 mph, despite the fact that Ida passed just 60 miles east of the city. Infrared and visible satellite loops show little change in the intensity of Ida's heavy thunderstorms this afternoon, but the cloud pattern is beginning to become distorted due to strong upper-level winds from the southwest that are creating 20 - 25 knots of wind shear over the hurricane. Water vapor satellite imagery reveals a large area of dry air to the southwest of Ida, but this dry air has not yet intruded into Ida's core. The latest 5:30 pm EST vortex report from the Hurricane Hunters showed that the central pressure had risen 1 mb, to 977 mb, but that the surface winds were still near 100 mph. They noted that the eyewall was open to the east, a sign that Ida's inner core may be in trouble.


Figure 1. MODIS satellite image from NASA's Terra spacecraft, taken at 1:35 pm EST 11/08/09. Image credit: NASA.

The intensity forecast for Ida
The high wind shear of 20 - 25 knots currently affecting Ida is forecast to persist at that level until Monday night. With the storm now beginning to show a distortion of the cloud pattern due to this shear, it would not be a surprise of the shear managed to inject some dry air into Ida's core Monday morning, significantly weakening the storm. Aiding this process will be cooler waters. Early Monday morning, Ida will be crossing over waters of 26°C, which is barely enough to support a hurricane. By Monday night, wind shear is expected to increase to 40 knots, which ordinarily would begin to tear the storm apart. This wind shear is due to an extratropical low pressure system over the western Gulf of Mexico, and this low will begin dumping cold, stable air into Ida Monday night through Tuesday. This will cause Ida to begin transitioning to an extratropical storm, and it is possible that during the transition Ida's winds will die down relatively slowly, despite the wind shear. The intensity forecast has a high amount of uncertainty, and I wouldn't be surprised at a landfall strength anywhere in the range of 45 mph - 80 mph. My personal best guess is a 50 - 60 mph tropical storm at landfall. Regardless of Ida's strength at landfall, the storm will be able to dump 4 - 8 inches of rain along the Gulf Coast, from New Orleans to Panama City. Isolated tornadoes will also be possible, primarily to the right side of Ida's track.


Figure 2. Maximum storm surge (depth of water above ground) for a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds moving north-northeast at 15 mph. Ida is expected to be moving at this speed and direction at landfall, but will probably be weaker, so surges will not be this high. Image credit: NOAA SLOSH model run for Mobile Bay, 2008 version. Heights are given relative to the NAVD88 datum.

The storm surge forecast for Ida
Storm surge is the other major concern for Ida. With a strong high pressure system anchored over the U.S. today, the pressure difference between this high and Ida is creating a strong pressure gradient that will drive tides 3 - 5 feet above normal from New Orleans to the Florida Panhandle tonight. As Ida approaches on Monday, an additional rise in water will occur, and a large stretch of coast will be subject to very high water levels for an extended period of time. With battering waves building Monday afternoon into Tuesday morning, a significant coastal erosion event is shaping up. A particular concern is the western end of Alabama's Dauphin Island, where storm surges from four hurricanes over the past fifteen years have caused heavy damage to the low-lying heavily developed island. If Ida makes a direct hit on Mobile Bay as a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds, a storm surge of up to six feet is possible there, assuming the storm hits at mean tide. The tidal range along the Gulf Coast varies by about 1.5 feet between low and high tide (Figure 3). High tide is near 2 am EST on Tuesday, but the official NHC forecast currently has the storm hitting between 6 am - 9 am, when the tide will be going out, so the storm may indeed be hitting at about mean tide.


Figure 3. The tide forecast for the Gulf Coast calls for high tide to occur around 2 am EST Tuesday morning. Ida is expected to hit later that morning, while the tide is going out.

I'll have an update Monday morning.

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251. antonio28 12:43 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting stormhank:
Hi all i live in fla panahndle north of panama city near alabama border? what would be possible affects here?? thanks for any input


You are under Huricane Watch right now that means Huricane conditions are posible within the next 36 hrs.
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252. Hurricane1956 12:43 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
looking at the 18 GFDL & HWRF models they bring the remains of IDA all the way down the center of Florida all the way down to South Florida very interesting,wondering what will be like for us here in South Florida,and also wondering if IDA make the turn to the NE sooner what will happen to us down here???.Any thoughts.
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253. AwakeInMaryland 12:43 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting tornadodude:

“Statistically and historically, we have never had a hurricane hit Mississippi in November,” he said. “The guidance on Ida is to not worry about it.”


and the Titanic was unsinkable.....

Hey, Matt, we've been like passing ships on here ourselves! (going off-topic...) Bad news, Pats game not broadcast here because of Deadskins game. Would have gone to pub if it hadn't meant missing Ida (brought it back around to topic, phew).
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254. bjdsrq 12:44 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Floater - Water Vapor Loop

Check the Boxes MSLP and Tropical Points


She's flipping the bird to the dry air to the SW. Moving fast too. Maybe past the 6Z fcst point by 6Z if this keeps up.
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255. bjdsrq 12:44 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Hurricane1956:
looking at the 18 GFDL & HWRF models they bring the remains of IDA all the way down the center of Florida all the way down to South Florida very interesting,wondering what will be like for us here in South Florida,and also wondering if IDA make the turn to the NE sooner what will happen to us down here???.Any thoughts.


Get an umbrella.

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256. CaneWarning 12:45 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


Ida made a move to the NNW early and well before that forecast turn. She has continued East of the forecast points for the last 7 hours or so and frankly seems to be struggling making much headway further W.

The sooner we see N the more likely that will start to translate to NNE and NE. Once these systems start to make a move towards recurvature the momentum tends to carry them to the East of N and beyond. The trough will accelerate that motion even if it is not right on top of the storm.

The flow from the trough can be felt well ahead of its arrival.



In your opinion, is a peninsula landfall possible? Or is it out of the question?
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257. gordydunnot 12:45 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Not a good mental image for Mississippi. He most be a FEMA throwback.
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258. TampaSpin 12:45 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Just got home from a long day........One of my followers text me that 456 was banned. Tell me its not so.
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259. HIEXPRESS 12:45 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


Diffluence is winds spreading outward. Winds straight west to east are zonal.

Thanks Drak - I was j/k.. Lighten up.
The joke was: Difluence in only one direction?
Can it be spreading out, if it's only in one direction (In this case, North)(I know, that would be meridional) so, if not difluence, then just fluence?
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260. tornadodude 12:45 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

Hey, Matt, we've been like passing ships on here ourselves! (going off-topic...) Bad news, Pats game not broadcast here because of Deadskins game. Would have gone to pub if it hadn't meant missing Ida (brought it back around to topic, phew).


haha yeah, and hurricane Ida might stop me from watching the Cowboys and Eagles duke it out tonight as well, with excellent playing weather
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261. franck 12:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Good luck Pat, et al coastal dwellers.
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262. Crazybowler910 12:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


I believe were all gonna see some things we've never seen in a while or before with this situation developing.

Care to elaborate? Jw what u think is going to happen because i agree but im stuck on 3 different scenarios lol.
263. CaneWarning 12:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
Just got home from a long day........One of my followers text me that 456 was banned. Tell me its not so.


TampaSpin, thank goodness you are here! Can you tell me that we are out of the woods here in Tampa?
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264. Beachfoxx 12:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Pat,

Any day is a bad day for a Hurricane!

We just got our first official notice from the "head office".

Everyone please remind Vacationers along the coast to STAY OUT of the water! Most of the beach services have closed for the season & most of the beaches do not have life guards posted this time of the year. Rip Currents will be STRONG.
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265. Drakoen 12:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting HIEXPRESS:

Thanks Drak - I was j/k.. Lighten up.


I thought it was an actual question.
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267. seflagamma 12:47 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Well, been trying to read back for the past few hours..

not sure what is happening,
Ida winds are up but pressure down???


still heading North but for how long..

is Shear affecting her already??

Interesting situation here.

I feel that here in SE Fla we should be OK;
as it stands now..
only some outter bands and hopefully some rain.

but not sure about all my friends on the North side of the GOM.

Take care and be prepared just in case
she ends up being stronger than predicted.

but she could also be weaker than predicted.

we just do not know at this point..


that was way too much information wasn't it? LOL
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268. Patrap 12:47 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I think maybe,..and maybe ..the BOC GAle is accelerating her as that lil nose likes to point the way in the FLoaters view.

Looks more Like 13 mph or dare I say a tad faster again.
Thats a bad trend if that pans out.

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269. kmanislander 12:47 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:


In your opinion, is a peninsula landfall possible? Or is it out of the question?

Nothing is ever out of the question with a hurricane, especially a late season system , but I stand by 83W as the furthest point East unless something significant changes.
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270. Patrap 12:48 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Beachfoxx:
Pat,

Any day is a bad day for a Hurricane!

We just got our first official notice from the "head office".

Everyone please remind Vacationers along the coast to STAY OUT of the water! Most of the beach services have closed for the season & most of the beaches do not have life guards posted this time of the year. Rip Currents will be STRONG.





Im glad you caught my sarcasm BFoxx..

How was the spearfishing Rodeo?
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271. obsessedwweather 12:48 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
WOW...this Blog is flying....thanks for the response regarding NE Florida....I already forgot who gave me the advice...sorry. Everyone be careful...please make necessary precautions.
272. Patrap 12:48 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Yeah as we close in we should post some escaping Rip Tides Images and Links too
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273. JupiterFL 12:49 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

The king of dry got it....

I think I might be on the lookout for the 0 Z CMC tonight. I have been impressed with it this season; sooooo much better than previous seasons.



Signed: No, I don't think 456 was banned
(My new signature for the next 6 hours or so)


Nuttin gets past me...
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274. gordydunnot 12:49 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
You know the way some of the people in here harass each other its a wonder how someone like him doesn't get banned everyday.At any rate I hope he is doing fine. The song says everybody needs a holiday.
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275. CaneWarning 12:49 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:

Nothing is ever out of the question with a hurricane, especially a late season system , but I stand by 83W as the furthest point East unless something significant changes.


83 W is just north of Tampa.
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276. bixms 12:49 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Sorry FL.....Yeah East !!!!! We in Biloxi do not need anything more. We if anything need a break from.....insurance claims, loss of work, debris in the yard, clean up....
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277. Patrap 12:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Yes ,many from all around the Gulf Coast the last 5-8 years all have seen nuff for a lifetime.
Best case,Ida gets drunk and winds down to a Claudette and makes us giggle.

Lotsa folks cane weary for sure.
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278. intunewindchime 12:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
report from Perdido Key FL
I have just returned from Walmart on Blue Angel. There are few people out buying supplies, and some do not even know about Ida. I called a friend and he was like HUH? A what? he thought I was joking. I think we have a problem here with it being NOV and we have folks off guard and in denial. I am close to the Ivan disaster areas , Big Lagoon, Grande Lagoon etc. Tommorow will be a zoo when people find out . Do we even still have hurricane supplies? No , everyone gave up and used them.
This could be a bad situation. I hope Portlight can find Perdido Key....This is just Bizzarre!
Ps I did replenish supplies tonight.
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279. PcolaDan 12:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Beachfoxx:
We are on Choctawatchee Bay, actually a bayou. *knock on wood* house is almost 30 yrs old and the water has never gotten in.

Ivan brought water to the steps of a free standing deck but still not into the house! *whew* and Ivan was evil.....



These houses were built in the 50's early 60's. Water had never been anywhere near the yards much less the houses. Your inlet is much wider than ours. But Ivan had hit cat 5 so had big surge with it. But it remember it did take out I10 and look how far in that is, plus took out houses up near pace. Just saying, take nothing for granted. Good luck to you.
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280. kmanislander 12:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:


83 W is just north of Tampa.


Near the big bend I think no ?
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281. Crazybowler910 12:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
So if she is accelrating then is the right turn come sooner or later? How bad will the track change and how will it?
282. seflagamma 12:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Beachfoxx:
Pat,

Any day is a bad day for a Hurricane!

We just got our first official notice from the "head office".

Everyone please remind Vacationers along the coast to STAY OUT of the water! Most of the beach services have closed for the season & most of the beaches do not have life guards posted this time of the year. Rip Currents will be STRONG.


Hi Foxx,

so strange the difference between North Fla and down here in SE Fla....

our "season" begins in mid Nov...
we are in full Vacation Speed from Mid Nov thur mid May!
We do not have real life guards on every beach
in the summer months because the only ones here are locals! LOL

but once the tourist arrive in Mid Nov we have life guards again at all beaches!



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283. CaneWarning 12:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting intunewindchime:
report from Perdido Key FL
I have just returned from Walmart on Blue Angel. There are few people out buying supplies, and some do not even know about Ida. I called a friend and he was like HUH? A what? he thought I was joking. I think we have a problem here with it being NOV and we have folks off guard and in denial. I am close to the Ivan disaster areas , Big Lagoon, Grande Lagoon etc. Tommorow will be a zoo when people find out . Do we even still have hurricane supplies? No , everyone gave up and used them.
This could be a bad situation. I hope Portlight can find Perdido Key....This is just Bizzarre!
Ps I did replenish supplies tonight.


Don't forget those snow birds.
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284. reedzone 12:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Coming home form my sisters, we got a shower from Ida, a thin feeder band here in Northeastern Florida.
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285. CaneWarning 12:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


Near the big bend I think no ?


Yes, in that general area.
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286. nrtiwlnvragn 12:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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287. WaterWitch11 12:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Satellite images look pretty nasty for LA. How you doing Patrap?
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288. Patrap 12:53 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
00Z Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)


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289. TampaSpin 12:53 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:


TampaSpin, thank goodness you are here! Can you tell me that we are out of the woods here in Tampa?


Can't say that yet....anyone south of land is going to have problems.
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290. Patrap 12:54 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
00z Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)

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291. CaneWarning 12:54 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Can't say that yet....anyone south of land is going to have problems.


Our mets make is sound like we'll get a rain shower and that's about it.
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292. CosmicEvents 12:54 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


Thanks for the offer. I'll keep it in mind.

18Z GFDL......brings it into Mobile Bay or just east of there as a cat 1 cane.
That would be a bad scenario.....but the GFDL looks like it's going to be too low intensity-wise at the next point(24 degrees), so that should throw off the final exact landfall.
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293. sarahjola 12:54 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting ElConando:
i'm not sure but I think some ppl are being fooled by the convection surge. I still think its moving NNW.

I AGREE. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE LOOP AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN I THINK I JUST SAW A JOG TO THE WEST. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,BUT THAT IS WHAT I SEE.
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294. CaneWarning 12:54 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
00z Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)



Wow several of those models make it turn quite a bit after landfall.
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295. AwakeInMaryland 12:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
BiloxiDaisy, you are entirely correct. It's just that gov. & other organizations active in disasters try to plan for shelters and field offices outside known disaster areas.

also, while I LOL'ed at "FEMA throwback" line, Craig Fugate, new head of FEMA, is going to be way p'oed because media caught this. He was the head of Florida EMA (that isn't his exact title), is really experienced and well thought of.
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296. bjdsrq 12:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:


83 W is just north of Tampa.


I think you mean west of Tampa. If it comes in at 83W, it will be near 30N, well north of Tampa. You will still some interesting wx in Tampa with squally bands and gusty winds.
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297. Patrap 12:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting WaterWitch11:
Satellite images look pretty nasty for LA. How you doing Patrap?


Enjoying another Saints win afterglow and soaking up the GOM Info and images.
Lotsa tabs a burning tonight..LOL
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298. CaneWarning 12:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting bjdsrq:


I think you mean west of Tampa. If it comes in at 83W, it will be near 30N, well north of Tampa. You will still some interesting wx in Tampa with squally bands and gusty winds.


Well, its west and north of Tampa.
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299. seflagamma 12:56 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
Coming home form my sisters, we got a shower from Ida, a thin feeder band here in Northeastern Florida.





for real???

I am closer to the system than you and still no real feeder bans yet..
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300. chucky7777 12:56 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


Near the big bend I think no ?
i'm doomed!!! lol, just a joke, i'm not serious, i don't think it will go there, too far to the east, just my "OPINION".......
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301. CaneWarning 12:56 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting sarahjola:

I AGREE. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE LOOP AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN I THINK I JUST SAW A JOG TO THE WEST. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,BUT THAT IS WHAT I SEE.


Really? I could've sworn I saw a jog to the EAST!
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