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Potentially dangerous 92L steadily developing; Igor nears hurricane strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:04 PM GMT on September 11, 2010 +0
A tropical disturbance (92L) over the Eastern Caribbean, a few hundred miles south of Puerto Rico, is steadily organizing and appears likely to develop into a tropical depression by tonight or Sunday morning. Satellite loops show an impressive and expanding region of heavy thunderstorms, with good spiral banding and respectable upper-level outflow on all sides. Long range radar out of Puerto Rico shows that heavy rains are now affecting that island, but there is no rotation to the radar echoes evident. However, the rain bands are becoming more intense and more organized. San Juan, Puerto Rico reported a heavy rain squall at 8:44 am this morning, and radar estimates suggest two inches of rain fell in this squall just southeast of San Juan. Wind shear over 92L is low, 5 - 10 knots. The waters beneath are at near-record warmth, 30°C, and these warm waters extend to great depth. Water vapor satellite loops show a large area of dry air lies to the north and west of 92L, and this dry air could interfere with development at times over the next few days.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of 92L.

Track forecast for 92L
The disturbance is moving west-northwest at 11 mph, and steering currents favor a continuation of this motion for the next three days. Model support for development is scattered. The GFS and NOGAPS models do not develop 92L. The GFDL and ECMWF models predict development, with a track taking 92L into Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula on Wednesday. The HWRF model has a more northwesterly track, taking 92L over the Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Cuba, but this model has been trending too far north in its tracks. I expect 92L will follow a path south of the islands, bringing it near or just south of Jamaica on Monday, then into the Yucatan Peninsula on Wednesday. On this track, the southern Dominican Republic can expect heavy rains of 3 - 6 inches tonight through Monday morning; southern Haiti can expect similar rains Sunday through Monday, and Jamaica and the Cayman Islands can expect heavier rains of 4 - 8 inches Monday and Tuesday. Eastern Cuba will probably escape 92L's heaviest rains in this scenario (Figure 2.)

Intensity forecast for 92L
I can't find any reason to doubt this will be a tropical storm by Sunday or Monday, and potentially a Category 1 or 2 hurricane by Wednesday, if 92L avoids passage over Hispaniola and Cuba. The SHIPS model predicts wind shear will remain low, 5 - 10 knots, through the period, and makes 92L a Category 1 hurricane by Monday night. Water temperatures are certainly warm enough to support development. The main detriment to intensification is likely to be dry air, and 92L could wrap in some of the dry air to its northwest at times, slowing down development. The first Air Force Hurricane Hunter mission into 92L is scheduled for Sunday afternoon, but there will be a research mission by the National Center for Atmospheric Research G-V jet today that will give us valuable information on 92L's large scale environment and potential for development.


Figure 2. Forecast rain amounts from 92L from the 2am EDT Saturday run of the GFDL model. This model predicts most of 92L's heaviest rains will miss Haiti, but will affect Jamaica, the Cayman Islands, and the Yucatan Peninsula. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.

Igor
Tropical Storm Igor is very close to hurricane strength, and appears destined to become a large and powerful major hurricane over the Central Atlantic in the days to come. Wind shear is moderate, 15 - 20 knots, waters are warm, 28°C, and Igor has moistened its environment enough to keep the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) at bay. Igor will track west under the influence of a strong ridge of high pressure for the next three days, then turn more to the west-northwest in response to the steering influence of a broad trough of low pressure moving across the Western Atlantic on Tuesday and Wednesday. This should allow Igor to pass several hundred miles to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles. In the longer range, Igor may be a threat to Bermuda, and has a slight chance of making landfall on the U.S. East Coast or Canada. Climatology shows that about 10% of all tropical cyclones that have existed at Igor's current position have gone on to hit the U.S. East Coast; these odds are about 10% for Bermuda and 5% for Canada. The forecast steering pattern for the coming two weeks from the GFS model shows a continuation of the pattern we've seen all hurricane season, with regular strong troughs of low pressure moving off the U.S. East Coast. This pattern favors Igor eventually recurving out to sea without affecting any land areas. The odds of Igor hitting land in the U.S. or Canada are probably close to their climatological 10% and 5% probabilities, respectively.

Elsewhere in the tropics
A new tropical wave (Invest 93L) emerged from the coast of Africa yesterday, and is already showing signs of organization. Most of the models predict 93L will develop into a tropical depression 2 - 4 days from now, and NHC is giving 93L a 30% chance of developing by Monday.

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This may be my only post today; I'll have a new post Sunday morning.

Jeff Masters
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901. plywoodstatenative 10:33 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Storm I do believe that Igor, presentation alone, is a Hurricane. As for where he is headed, he has already shown erratic movements, so who knows where he is going.
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902. galvestonhurricane 10:33 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
RIP 92L
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903. Txwxchaser 10:34 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
#877. Ok, with all that, if Igor gets to be the monster storm some predict, is it possible that hurricanes that size and powerful can make their own path...I mean it seems to me that the forward motion of something that big would take some doing to stop it in its tracks and force it in diff direction. Maybe I've missed this explanation before...but just wondering since still so much uncertainty
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904. doorman79 10:34 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


When maximum sustained winds reach a minimum of 74 mph. J/K


Storm,
Your sense of humor matches those awesome glasses lol! JOKE

Evening!
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905. seflagamma 10:34 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting Cregnebaa:
Happy Ivan Anniversary Kman!


Creg, so good to see you again, Been missing you around here during the "season".. hope all is well with you.
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906. Clearwater1 10:34 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
12Z GFS 60 hours..


18Z GFS 48 hours (still running)


Little quiz time :P
There's a signifigant change on the 18Z, anyone like to show me what the change could be?
I'll play. I think there will be a slight trend westward, due to a weaker troff, at least based on the two model runs you posted. What do I win?
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907. kmanislander 10:35 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting doorman79:


Having trouble finding it. Got the short version by any chance.


The John Hope rule is very simple but verifies time and time again. If a tropical system does not develop into a tropical depression before entering the Eastern caribbean it is unlikely to do so before reaching the Western Caribbean.

I once looked at 30 years of data to see how this verified and found that in all those years there were only 8 or 9 systems that beacme TDs in the Eastern Caribbean including half of them from lows on the tail end of late season cold fronts. That left us with about 4 or 5 systems that managed to become TDs in the Eastern Caribbean over a 3 decade period from Easterly waves.

I would say that is strong validation of the Rule.

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908. plywoodstatenative 10:35 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Hey Gamma, have you seen or heard from Hurricane Crab at all?
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909. bigwes6844 10:35 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


When maximum sustained winds reach a minimum of 74 mph. J/K

a
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910. will40 10:36 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting Txwxchaser:
#877. Ok, with all that, if Igor gets to be the monster storm some predict, is it possible that hurricanes that size and powerful can make their own path...I mean it seems to me that the forward motion of something that big would take some doing to stop it in its tracks and force it in diff direction. Maybe I've missed this explanation before...but just wondering since still so much uncertainty


it cant break through a High that is not eroded no matter how strong he is
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911. Tazmanian 10:37 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
902. galvestonhurricane 3:33 PM PDT on September 11, 2010 Hide this comment.
RIP 92L
Action: Quote | Ignore User


POOF
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912. TexasHurricane 10:37 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting AtHomeInTX:


SmileyCentral.com Do I have to?



lol.... :) all those different faces.
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913. doorman79 10:38 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Thanks Kman,

I have read that on here a many of times, Just never knew It was the John Hope rule!
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914. Cat5Survivor 10:38 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Kman,

I am a newbie here. I posted earlier and did not get an answer ( a statement, not a complaint!).

Would you do me a favour and look at post 518? Trying to learn and interested in what I am missing.

TIA
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915. help4u 10:38 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Pin-hole poof taz for 92l!
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916. seflagamma 10:38 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting plywoodstatenative:
Hey Gamma, have you seen or heard from Hurricane Crab at all?


He checks in sometimes on a blog here or there... he checked in Foxx's blog not too long again and give us alittle update.

Since Paloma in Nov 2008 blew away his little Brac, he has been off line alot more than Pre-Palmoa....

plus been so busy the last 2 years rebuilding the island.

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918. cyclonekid 10:40 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


The John Hope rule is very simple but verifies time and time again. If a tropical system does not develop into a tropical depression before entering the Eastern caribbean it is unlikely to do so before reaching the Western Caribbean.

I once looked at 30 years of data to see how this verified and found that in all those years there were only 8 or 9 systems that beacme TDs in the Eastern Caribbean including half of them from lows on the tail end of late season cold fronts. That left us with about 4 or 5 systems that managed to become TDs in the Eastern Caribbean over a 3 decade period.

I would say that is strong validation of the Rule.

Oh. Ok. Thanks. So one storm that kind of contradicts that is Hurricane Omar 2008?

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919. clwstmchasr 10:40 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting Clearwater1:
I'll play. I think there will be a slight trend westward, due to a weaker troff, at least based on the two model runs you posted. What do I win?


Is a slight trend west a significant change in the 18Z model run?
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921. seflagamma 10:41 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
I am probably leaving for the night; got to wrap up my work week and head home in about 20 mins.. YEAH!

everyone have a good evening and I know I will check in first thing in the morning.
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922. wunderkidcayman 10:42 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
galvestonhurricane you must ha gone mad dead 92L is nowhere near that
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923. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 10:42 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
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924. clwstmchasr 10:42 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting GTcooliebai:

Remember the Great Tampa Bay Hurricane of 1921 hit in Oct.


I was only 1 year old so I don't remember it.
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925. victoria780 10:43 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting IKE:
The center of 92l looks to be 15 degrees north-67.2 west.
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926. IKE 10:43 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
GFs takes Igor to near Bermuda and then toward Newfoundland. Has 93L head to the north ATL. Does little to nothing with 92L. Shows nothing after Igor and 93L are gone.
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927. Dakster 10:44 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting cyclonekid:
What's the John Hope rule?


He said if a storm doesn't develope by the time it reaches the eastern carribean, it won't until it reaches the western carribean. He was a NHC forecaster, IIRC.
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928. AtHomeInTX 10:45 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting TexasHurricane:



lol.... :) all those different faces.


Hey Tex! Lol. Yeah, gots millions of 'em. Including my nervous smile when talking about my comfy home. Don't want Mother Nature to think I'm getting cocky and need to move again. Lol. Did you see the video I linked from Lake Charles NWS? It explains a lot. Link
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929. kmanislander 10:45 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting cyclonekid:
Oh. Ok. Thanks. So one storm that kind of contradicts that is Hurricane Omar 2008?



Omar was an October storm that had its genesis on the tail end of a cold front, not an easterly wave like 92L. Remember I said that half of the 8 or 9 I found to have formed in the eastern Caribbean were late season systems from cold fronts.
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930. Clearwater1 10:45 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
The second trough is stronger on the new run, this would really strengthen the ridge to the west.
The run is nearly complete and I don't see any major change in the gfs track for Igor. So, my guess (moving further west, was wrong, "I get nothing, I lose, good day sir")
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931. will40 10:45 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    


no fish on GFS 18Z
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932. GTcooliebai 10:46 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting clwstmchasr:


I was only 1 year old so I don't remember it.

Do your parents recall what happened that day?
Was it really bad?
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933. help4u 10:46 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Ike you think season is over?
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934. AtHomeInTX 10:48 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
galvestonhurricane you must ha gone mad dead 92L is nowhere near that


I don't understand why the models aren't calling for much out of 92L when conditions seem favorable. I know models are just models but they do make me frustrated some times when they show such different outcomes. No patience I guess. Lol.
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935. kmanislander 10:49 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting Cat5Survivor:
Kman,

I am a newbie here. I posted earlier and did not get an answer ( a statement, not a complaint!).

Would you do me a favour and look at post 518? Trying to learn and interested in what I am missing.

TIA


Hi, I looked at your post. Without all the technical comparisons that would be required, it is easiest to appreciate that models have a very hard time with intensity forecasts before a system gets classified as a TD. The intensity spread can be very large and you may have seen several waves developed as powerful hurricanes this year by the models but they did not even go on to become TDs.

My rule of thumb is to ignore intensity forecasts until we have a classified tropical cyclone.
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936. GeoffreyWPB 10:50 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
I really thought 92L would be a depression today. Wrong again!

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938. SevereWeather 10:50 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting Tazmanian:
902. galvestonhurricane 3:33 PM PDT on September 11, 2010 Hide this comment.
RIP 92L
Action: Quote | Ignore User


POOF


lol
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939. hurricanehunter27 10:50 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
THE best looking hurricane in the gulf ever!
Link
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941. TexasHurricane 10:53 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting AtHomeInTX:


Hey Tex! Lol. Yeah, gots millions of 'em. Including my nervous smile when talking about my comfy home. Don't want Mother Nature to think I'm getting cocky and need to move again. Lol. Did you see the video I linked from Lake Charles NWS? It explains a lot. Link


just watched it. Thanks.... :) Just need to keep an eye on the high. You would think it would break down sooner or later....
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942. CybrTeddy 10:53 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.1.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 11 SEP 2010 Time : 214500 UTC
Lat : 17:24:15 N Lon : 41:24:08 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
4.3 / 982.2mb/ 72.2kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
4.3 4.3 3.1

Latitude bias adjustment to MSLP : +0.0mb

Center Temp : -46.7C Cloud Region Temp : -58.7C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION w/ MW EYE

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : MW ON
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF
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943. AtHomeInTX 10:53 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
THE best looking hurricane in the gulf ever!
Link


I think she was the strongest ever in the gulf pressure wise. Or I could be wrong. :)
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944. stormpetrol 10:54 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting Cat5Survivor:
Kman,

I am a newbie here. I posted earlier and did not get an answer ( a statement, not a complaint!).

Would you do me a favour and look at post 518? Trying to learn and interested in what I am missing.

TIA

I was just reading back , been away for awhile and saw you directed the question to me, sorry I can't answer as I'm not as familiar with the various charts and graphs but if anyone can answer your question you have directed it to the right person now, Kman, if anyone can explain it to you he will in simple and understandable terms, sorry I couldn't be of any help.
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945. kmanislander 10:55 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
850 vort no better in this updated image. 92L is probably at least 24 hours away from becoming a TD at the soonest IMO.

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946. IKE 10:55 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
933...no...it's not over. Personally...I'm encouraged by what I see for my area. I always looked at the date Opal hit here as kind of a point where the odds start falling off. That date was Oct. 4th.
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947. Cat5Survivor 10:56 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Kman,

Makes sense. Thanks
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948. AtHomeInTX 10:56 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting TexasHurricane:


just watched it. Thanks.... :) Just need to keep an eye on the high. You would think it would break down sooner or later....


Lets just hope it holds strong when it needs to. A breakdown come about November would be nice. :) Not that's wishcasting folks! Lol.
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949. kmanislander 10:56 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Taking a break now.
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950. IKE 10:57 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
18Z NOGAPS...Link
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951. hydrus 10:58 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:
850 vort no better in this updated image. 92L is probably at least 24 hours away from becoming a TD at the soonest IMO.

Now I know why people from the Caymans always mention IVAN,,,,,..................................................After passing Jamaica, Ivan resumed a more northerly track and regained Category 5 strength. Ivan's strength continued to fluctuate as it moved west on September 11, and the storm attained its highest winds of 165 mph (270 km/h) as it passed within 30 miles (48 km) of Grand Cayman. Ivan reached its peak strength with a minimum central pressure of 910 mbar (hPa) on September 12, making Ivan the tenth most intense Atlantic hurricane on record, as of August 2007. Ivan passed through the Yucatán Channel late on September 13 while its eyewall affected the westernmost tip of Cuba. Once over the Gulf of Mexico, it weakened slightly to Category 4 strength, which it maintained while approaching the Gulf Coast of the United States.[1]
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