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Dangerous Caribbean disturbance 95L close to tropical storm strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:57 PM GMT on September 23, 2010 +3
A tropical wave (Invest 95L), moving westward at 15 mph though the south-central Caribbean, will bring gusty winds and heavy rain squalls to the northern coasts of Colombia and Venezuela this morning, as well as the Netherlands Antilles Islands. This disturbance will bring dangerous flooding rains to the countries bordering the Western Caribbean this weekend, and may also be a threat to the U.S. Gulf of Mexico coast late next week. A hurricane hunter aircraft is in 95L, and found a large region of surface winds of 35 - 45 mph to the east of 95L's center. If they find a closed circulation, 95L will be upgraded to Tropical Storm Matthew today. Satellite loops show that heavy thunderstorm activity has increased markedly in recent hours, with a solid curved band of intense thunderstorms growing to the northeast of 95L's center. Low-level spiral bands are also developing to the southeast of the center, but a closed surface circulation is not yet obvious from satellite imagery.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of 95L.

Forecast for 95L
An upper-level high pressure system lies to the west of 95L, near the coast of Nicaragua. The clockwise flow of air around this high will bring a moderate 10 - 15 knots of wind shear over 95L today. By Friday, 95L will move more underneath this upper-level high, causing the shear to decline. The SHIPS model forecasts that shear will fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, by Friday afternoon. This drop in shear may allow for rapid intensification of 95L as it approaches landfall near the Nicaragua/Honduras border on Friday night and early Saturday morning. NHC is giving the disturbance an 80% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Saturday.


Figure 2. Forecast track of 95L from an ensemble of runs of the GFS model done at 2am EDT this morning.

The future of 95L depends critically upon the storm's interaction with land over the coming days. If 95L misses making landfall in Nicaragua and Honduras, and instead skirts the north coast of Honduras, the storm is likely to intensify into a hurricane by Monday, as predicted by last night's 00Z (8pm EDT) run of the GFDL model. However, if 95L spends significant time over Honduras, as predicted by the latest 06Z (2am EDT) run of the GFDL model, the storm will likely stay below hurricane strength. 95L is being forced just north of due west by a strong ridge of high pressure. This ridge will keep the storm moving at 15 mph through Saturday. On Sunday, a trough of low pressure diving southwards over the Eastern U.S. will weaken the steering currents over the Western Caribbean and cause 95L to slow and turn more to the north. 95L will begin a period of slow and erratic movement on Sunday that may last many days, as the storm wanders in the Western Caribbean and over Belize, Honduras, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. If the center of 95L spends significant time over water, the storm could easily develop into powerful and dangerous Hurricane Matthew. If the center remains mostly over land, 95L will still generate extremely heavy rains over Central America, but remain below hurricane strength. By late next week, the trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. may lift out, allowing a ridge of high pressure to build in and force 95L westwards across the Yucatan Peninsula and into the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche. Alternatively, the trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. may amplify, drawing 95L northwards across Western Cuba and into Florida. The uncertainties in the long-range fate of 95L are high, and depend strongly on slight variations in its track that determine how much time the storm spends over land. One measure of the uncertainty in 95L's future track can be gained by viewing the ensemble forecast from the GFS model. An ensemble forecast is generated by taking the initial conditions in the atmosphere and making slight variations in the temperature, pressure, and humidity fields. Twenty or so tweaks of the initial conditions are made, and the GFS model run twenty separate times for each new set of initial conditions. The resulting ensemble of model runs gives one an idea of how sensitive the future track of the storm might be to errors in characterizing the initial state of the atmosphere. As one can see from this morning's GFS ensemble run (Figure 2), there are a wide range of possibilities for where 95L might go. The main thing I am confident of at this point is that 95L will generate very heavy rains over Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula Friday through Tuesday that will likely cause dangerous flooding rains and life-threatening mudslides.

Tropical Depression Lisa
Tropical Depression Lisa continues to churn the waters of the far Eastern Atlantic. By Saturday night, upper level winds out of the west are expected to increase, bringing high wind shear of 20 - 45 knots over Lisa. The high shear may be capable of destroying the storm by early next week. It appears unlikely that Lisa will affect any land areas.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The remnants of Hurricane Julia are still spinning over the far Eastern Atlantic, and are generating some sporadic heavy thunderstorm to the north of the center of circulation. Julia's remains are being given a 10% chance of re-developing by NHC. There are no other threat areas to discuss, and none of the models is calling for development (except for 95L) over the next seven days.

Hurricane Karl's moisture causing flooding in Minnesota, Wisconsin
A plume of very moist air associated with what was Hurricane Karl last week has surged northwards over the Central U.S. over the past two days. This moisture is now being lifted over a warm front draped over Minnesota and Wisconsin, and has generated flooding rains in excess of six inches in southern Minnesota this morning. Flood warnings and flood watches are posted for a wide swath of the upper Midwest today, including most of Minnesota, northern Wisconsin, and Michigan's Upper Peninsula. The latest forecast discussion from the NWS office in Minneapolis notes that the forecast amount of moisture in the air this afternoon is similar in magnitude to the all-time record for this time of year (set on September 2, 1953.) These kinds of rain events are called Predecessor Rain Events (PREs), because they typically precede the actual arrival of the rain shield of a tropical storm.


Figure 3. Radar estimated rainfall over Minnesota.

Next post
I'll have an update on 95L later today. The timing will depend upon what the Hurricane Hunters find.

Jeff Masters
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502. WxLogic 4:39 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
The faster 95L organizes into a tropical storm the more likely it will be to strengthen if it can stay over the Caribbean waters east of the Yucatan after negotiating with Nicaragua and Honduras.


Indeed... and given the upper level conditions across the W and NW Carib... it will be quite likely that it will stay over water due to a steady strengthening.
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503. Cotillion 4:39 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Hmm.

They've just re-done a new model output for Disturbance Invest 95L at this time.

They might send out something new promptly (they've been known to play around with it).

Or, it could be example #2 of 'VDM or no, no upgrade'.
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504. leo305 4:39 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:
12Z GFS @ 204 (Nicole)



would be interesting if matthew doesn't dissipate as GFS suggests it will, I wonder if that will cause nicole to not develop in the carribean
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505. Levi32 4:39 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
12z GFS

Oddly enough, thats not 95L.



The pattern will stay dangerous for most of October, this doesn't end with Matthew unfortunately.
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506. scottsvb 4:40 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Dont forget with 95L it was forecasting a few days ago to move up into Florida. Showing a system now heading up to florida over 1 week away will most likely not happen from this scenerio. If somthing forms, it will be broad low pressure west of there between Yucitan and close to the Cayman isles
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507. will40 4:40 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
16:28:00Z 13.867N 75.783W 988.8 mb
(~ 29.20 inHg) 172 meters
(~ 564 feet) 1008.9 mb
(~ 29.79 inHg) - From 137° at 13 knots
(From the SE at ~ 14.9 mph) 19.2°C
(~ 66.6°F) 14.1°C
(~ 57.4°F) 13 knots
(~ 14.9 mph) 47 knots
(~ 54.0 mph) 24 mm/hr
(~ 0.94 in/hr) 47.0 knots (~ 54.0 mph)
Tropical Storm
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508. Stormchaser2007 4:40 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
12z GFS has the system make landfall near Tampa.

Odd.
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509. IKE 4:40 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Problem with the GFS: It's showing a significant system slamming into western Florida at 204 hours and it showed a significant system at 240 hours...168 hours ago, coming near Florida.
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510. WxLogic 4:40 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
12z GFS

Oddly enough, thats not 95L.



I briefly wondered about the same thing.
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511. dmh1026 4:41 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
95L ramping up quickly...
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512. SevereWeather 4:41 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting oracle28:


You've got to be kidding...


Lighten up Francis...

The sarcasm flag is ON
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513. Levi32 4:41 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Odd, the 12z GFS takes 95L across the Yucatan and develops a new system behind instead, making it look like 95L is moving into Cuba but it is in fact something else.

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514. Cotillion 4:42 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
GFS 12z again showing that 95L isn't the storm heading for the Lower 48.
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515. CyclonicVoyage 4:42 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting leo305:


would be interesting if matthew doesn't dissipate as GFS suggests it will, I wonder if that will cause nicole to not develop in the carribean



To me, it just really nails it home that the GFS is still working it out and has nearly 0 consistency run to run, nor do the other models.
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516. txjac 4:42 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Nice update Levi ...question though ...will the formation of two possible tropical cyclones cool the water throughout the whole gulf? Or just the Caribeean? Thanks
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517. HarleyStormDude52 4:42 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting Cotillion:
Hmm.

They've just re-done a new model output for Disturbance Invest 95L at this time.

They might send out something new promptly (they've been known to play around with it).

Or, it could be example #2 of 'VDM or no, no upgrade'.


link? I didnt see and update on WU.. Im still new at this so my sources are limited still!!!

Thanks
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518. Levi32 4:43 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
12z GFS

Oddly enough, thats not 95L.



I read that as 364 hours my bad lol. It's 204....you noticed how that's not 95L.
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519. Chicklit 4:43 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting dmh1026:
95L ramping up quickly...

DocM things shear will affect it:
An upper-level high pressure system lies to the west of 95L, near the coast of Nicaragua. The clockwise flow of air around this high will bring a moderate 10 - 15 knots of wind shear over 95L today.
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520. Abacosurf 4:44 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
Good morning all.

Tropical Tidbit for Thursday, September 23rd, with Video


Another Great Update!!!!

However if you draw one more pink line over my house I am going to break your pencil!!!
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521. Stormchaser2007 4:44 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
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522. IKE 4:44 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting Cotillion:
GFS 12z again showing that 95L isn't the storm heading for the Lower 48.


Agree....shows 95L heading into the BOC.

I don't trust what it's showing at 168-204 hours. Nope...ain't falling for that.
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523. belizeit 4:44 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
The new past has the circulation to the SW so it will probably still not be upgraded as the center is still not well defined
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524. scottsvb 4:45 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
You guys have to go on the GFS out to about 108 hrs.. broad low pressure around 1006mbs north of honduras. Then the GFS does the classic moisture feedback error of making something blow up just east of Jamaica and moving it slowly NNW. Chance of this happening is under 25%.
Most likely what will happen is that broad low at 108-120hrs north of Honduras slowly move N and NNE and slowing get organized and could become a storm in a week or 144-168hrs between the Yucitan and the Caymans moving N near cuba's western peninsula. So its same kind of pattern, just different placement of the possible low.
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525. Levi32 4:46 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting txjac:
Nice update Levi ...question though ...will the formation of two possible tropical cyclones cool the water throughout the whole gulf? Or just the Caribeean? Thanks


The Gulf of Mexico can experience cool wakes from strong tropical cyclones rather easily, but the Caribbean is harder to cool because the warm water runs very deep, meaning that upwelling actually just upwells more warm water instead of cold water, so it takes a lot longer to produce a cool wake in the Caribbean.
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526. Stormchaser2007 4:46 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
At the end of the run, the GFS has two more systems developing in the Caribbean.

October looks like it could continue the rather active period.
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527. MississippiBoy2 4:46 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Mother Nature is fixing to throw us a curve ball.
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528. Chicklit 4:46 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting Cotillion:
GFS 12z again showing that 95L isn't the storm heading for the Lower 48.

Would that be what's in the CATL?
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529. nash28 4:46 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
As a former Tampanian, I can almost guarantee you that if the models are pointing at Tampa area now, they will most certainly change.

I lived there for over eight years. Many close calls, no direct hits.. Yeah, they are incredibly overdue, but it seems as though there is almost a shield over that area.

BTW- Anyone seen StormW?
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530. TOMSEFLA 4:47 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting IKE:


Agree....shows 95L heading into the BOC.

I don't trust what it's showing at 168-204 hours. Nope...ain't falling for that.
smart move
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532. BLee2333 4:47 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
I suspect a storm will cool off the GOMEX due to the lack of the loop current right now. Nothing there to replenish the churned up waters.

The Caribbean on the other hand, has warm isotherms that run deep and the currents will be bringing in warm water to bolster the temps. don't see the temps dropping far enough to not be conducive for future developement.
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533. CyclonicVoyage 4:47 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
12Z GFS runs Nicole up the entire length of the east coast, lol.


Out in La La Land @ 360hrs.

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534. Livyer 4:47 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
More video and pictures showing Igor's assault on Newfoundland.

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535. Stormchaser2007 4:48 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
12z official track takes it over the Yucatan.

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536. nrtiwlnvragn 4:48 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting IKE:


Agree....shows 95L heading into the BOC.

I don't trust what it's showing at 168-204 hours. Nope...ain't falling for that.


Similar to what last night's ECMWF showed.

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537. Cotillion 4:49 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting scottsvb:
You guys have to go on the GFS out to about 108 hrs.. broad low pressure around 1006mbs north of honduras. Then the GFS does the classic moisture feedback error of making something blow up just east of Jamaica and moving it slowly NNW. Chance of this happening is under 25%.
Most likely what will happen is that broad low at 108-120hrs north of Honduras slowly move N and NNE and slowing get organized and could become a storm in a week or 144-168hrs between the Yucitan and the Caymans moving N near cuba's western peninsula. So its same kind of pattern, just different placement of the possible low.


Maybe.

However, you look at the 00z Euro, it's not entirely clear cut that it's 95L, either.

The 12z run will be intriguing.

Btw guys, if there's no further updates, got a sneaky feeling that no TD15 is coming.
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538. Levi32 4:49 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
The GFS is still struggling hard though....this is an odd run. Notice how it puts the center of low pressure right in between 95L and this other feature that come in behind, showing neither as a dominant circulation at 120 hours. This may be a bit unrealistic and could represent the model still struggling with bundling all the heat in the Caribbean. While something else may get drawn into the situation from the southeast, I don't think 95L is likely to lose dominance that abruptly.

It would be interesting if 95L dies to central America and then low pressure reforms to the east as a new disturbance comes in, but I would suspect that the overall outcome would be roughly the same. Low pressure will still be organizing in the western Caribbean and being drawn north either way, even if the GFS is right.

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539. cirrocumulus 4:49 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
It's the Caribbean Cruiser arriving at longitude 75.


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541. CyclonicVoyage 4:49 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting scottsvb:
You guys have to go on the GFS out to about 108 hrs.. broad low pressure around 1006mbs north of honduras. Then the GFS does the classic moisture feedback error of making something blow up just east of Jamaica and moving it slowly NNW. Chance of this happening is under 25%.
Most likely what will happen is that broad low at 108-120hrs north of Honduras slowly move N and NNE and slowing get organized and could become a storm in a week or 144-168hrs between the Yucitan and the Caymans moving N near cuba's western peninsula. So its same kind of pattern, just different placement of the possible low.


Thanks for the insight, makes sense of a non-sense run of the GFS.
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542. Stormchaser2007 4:50 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Nash, mail.
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545. xcool 4:50 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
that not 95l
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547. Cotillion 4:50 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Thing is...

Are the GFS/Euro on the same lines, or are they just having the same problem?
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548. Levi32 4:51 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:
12Z GFS runs Nicole up the entire length of the east coast, lol.


Out in La La Land @ 360hrs.



That's not la la....that's showing there's still heat down there that is getting piled together and indicating that the pattern will remain dangerous throughout most of October. The orientation of the weird low pressure area at Day 15 is not important, but the fact that there is all that low pressure sitting in there is important.
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550. Levi32 4:52 PM GMT on September 23, 2010    
Quoting 2ifbyC:
Levi,

Absolutely enjoy your vids, except that you keep drawing that arrow up through the Tampa Bay area!

Did I hear you use the 'pumping...' phrase? 8-)

Great presentations!


Lol. Well thank you :)
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