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Invest 91L reorganizing; The heat is on (again)
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 4:16 PM GMT on August 01, 2011 +21
Invest 91L, which is located near 14°N, 57°W, is showing signs of reorganization after a pretty rough weekend. On Saturday, the wave looked ripe to develop with organized convection and the hint of a surface circulation. On Sunday a Hurricane Hunter and NOAA G9 flew into the system only to find it disorganized and negatively influenced by the burst of convection that sprouted on its western edge. Since then, low-level circulation has at least strengthened, if not consolidated, and residents of the Lesser Antilles should be prepared for tropical storm advisories to be posted on short notice. Satellite loops show decent thunderstorm activity and some mid-level circulation, and continued bursts of thunderstorms to the southwest of the invest region. The wave is surrounded by moderately strong wind shear (30-40 knots) on both the north and the south sides, which could delay development. Also, a large mass of dry, Saharan air continues to linger to 91L's north. In a mission this morning, Hurricane Hunters found winds close to tropical storm strength, but no signs of a closed surface circulation—just plenty of winds from the east or southeast. The next mission is scheduled for 2pm EDT, and they will continue every six hours if the system remains a threat.


Figure 1. Visible satellite of Invest 91L at 10:30am EDT as it moves west toward the Lesser Antilles.

Forecast For 91L
Development will probably occur in the next day or two, and the National Hurricane Center is giving the wave a 90% chance in the next 48 hours. The question now is where will it go, and how long will it remain a tropical cyclone. Models are split today, although still leaning toward an Atlantic recurving solution. In the camp of a Gulf of Mexico track are the CMC and the UKMET models. The GFS and the ECMWF are still in favor of the system tracking northwest toward Florida (and coming close) before taking a turn to the northeast. The NOGAPS model is resolving a Florida landfall in this morning's run, and the HWRF hints that it might like that solution, as well, at the end of its run. The GFDL remains conservative and forecasts that the system will turn north and northeast well before making any connection with the U.S. coast. It is notable that although there is still much disagreement on where this system will go, the models have been trending west in their tracks over the past few days. However, it is extremely difficult to nail down a track before a cyclone has even developed. Something we know for sure is that 91L is a threat to the Lesser Antilles and the Caribbean islands including Puerto Rico, Hispaniola, and the Bahamas.

In terms of intensity, both the GFDL and the HWRF are thinking this will eventually get to hurricane strength once it develops, although neither are forecasting it to become stronger than a category 1. SHIPS (which tracks 91L into the far eastern Gulf of Mexico) brings the system up to a category 1 hurricane, and the LGEM does as well, but is slower in its intensification. General consensus this morning is that 91L will max out somewhere between a moderate tropical cyclone and a moderate category 1 hurricane. Again, this is something that is difficult to predict before development itself occurs.

The Heat Is On (Again)

Someone turned the furnace on again in the central U.S., although many would argue that it was never actually turned off after the last heat wave. Heat advisories have been issued from southern Louisiana to North Dakota. Temperatures are expected to climb to 115°F in the central Plains through Wednesday, and heat index values will soar again. Oklahoma has now seen over a month of high temperatures hitting at least 100°. Some reprieve could come later this week.


Figure 2. Weather advisories issued by the National Weather Service. Heat-related advisories are pink.

Angela
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852. Abacosurf 7:59 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting BrandiQ:


Is it? Many of the models are showing an FL landfall... :(
Don't listen to him..
Quoting DFWjc:


But what is going to pull it North, I must be on the list because I asked this twice and no one has giving me a reason other than I'm a TXwishcaster.. sure i'd love it to come here but if it's going west...just saying..


Second short wave will grab it if it consolidates.
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853. Tazmanian 7:59 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
man could you imagine if they found 75mph winds with no COC...the blog would go ballistic and people might be pulling there hairs out!



am starting too pull my hair ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
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854. Levi32 7:59 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Pressure falls at Dominica as 91L's surface center moves over.
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855. angiest 7:59 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting DFWjc:


But what is going to pull it North, I must be on the list because I asked this twice and no one has giving me a reason other than I'm a TXwishcaster.. sure i'd love it to come here but if it's going west...just saying..


The models have constantly been expecting 91L to pick up more latitude. That hasn't happened. It still looks to be too far south to be picked up by anything at this point.

Even a storm with presure <940mb would have a hard time going north from that location:
*****This is not the current steering layer for the real 91L*****
*****This is being posted for sake of discussion*****


After looking backward through time, the trough currently off the east coast of Florida actually looks to be getting a little weaker, and the high NE of the Bahamas looks to be strengthening.
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856. DFWjc 7:59 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting deaddude21:

The models thought that a weak summer trough would be enough to pick up 91L and steer it out to sea. Now they're finally getting the picture (apart from the GFDL) that summer troughs are too weak and 91L will be forced on a WNW path through the Caribbean for a while now.


Thank you DD, that's the part I wanted to hear! Not just that "the models say so"..
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857. tropicfreak 7:59 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting jasoniswildman12:
i think i see two centers here with invest 91L


Dude stop making usernames, you have always have been a troll, you can't hide yourself.
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859. SLU 8:00 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I wish they would just declare this a tropical storm, they've declared worst. It is very close to having a closed low, if it doesn't.

Think of it like this - a tropical storm has wind speeds over 40 mph and heavy rain. Isn't this what 91L will be bringing to the Lesser Antilles?


Yeh even if they don't find a completely closed low now, the evidence suggests that it could close off at anytime so they should at least call it a TD and issue TS warnings so that people will take the system more seriously.
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861. HTownJitters 8:00 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting angelafritz:
When it comes down to it, 91L is still a mess.


Absolutely. Until it organizes, it won't strengthen, and the models won't describe it very well. Recognizing a mess as a mess is not always easy while wishing for a TD / TS.
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862. hydrus 8:00 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Convection is firing up a bit...
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863. BobinTampa 8:00 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting NOLALawyer:


Ok, Tampa to be precise. If I am going to get accused of the Florida wishcast, I better make it the White Whale of wishcasts. LOL.



Tampa??? You obviously aren't familiar with the sacred Seminole Indian burial ground that magically keeps hurricanes away from Tampa!!

ain't no computer model for that. ;)


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864. asgolfr999 8:00 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting deaddude21:
I wish this system would develop into like a slow moving Cat. 1 of 2 hurricane, nothing horribly destructive, and hit Texas and just stall over South, Central and SE Texas. We could definitely use 5-10 inches of rain.


Interesting. Ever been in a non destructive Cat 2? No? me either lol
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865. NICycloneChaser 8:00 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
I wonder if we'll have another special TWO at 5pm.
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866. DFWjc 8:00 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting angiest:


The models have constantly been expecting 91L to pick up more latitude. That hasn't happened. It still looks to be too far south to be picked up by anything at this point.

Even a storm with presure <940mb would have a hard time going north from that location:
*****This is not the current steering layer for the real 91L*****
*****This is being posted for sake of discussion*****


After looking backward through time, the trough currently off the east coast of Florida actually looks to be getting a little weaker, and the high NE of the Bahamas looks to be strengthening.


But unless i'm really green, wouldn't that High help it push it away from Florida?
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867. RitaEvac 8:00 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting twincomanche:
The models all show a blocking high when this thing gets near CONUS.


I can look at the upper levels on satellite and see it without looking at models
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868. HurricaneDean07 8:01 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Hurricanedevo,
If a dropsonde has a rainfall rate of .5/6 or more an hour, than they are rain flagged, and the Recon just didnt tag them...
None of those would be used...

theyve only found 45 mph winds that have low rainfall rates, and not conaminated
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869. Cotillion 8:01 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
When you read NHC discussions they will state "believable SFMR winds of ....".. When SFMR winds are greater than flight level they are generally considered not believable.


Yep. When looking at any wind estimate, it's always good to look at three things:

- 1. If it's flagged. This can count for the other measurements as well within the recording, like rainfall.
- 2. Whether the flight level winds are believable in comparison. Of course, though this is generally the case, there can be conditions where surface could be a bit stronger. It's a good indicator regardless, particularly when they aren't even close.
- 3. Sudden altitude variations.
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870. chevycanes 8:01 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


A trough in August

do you not see the front off the SE coast of the US right now? do you not see the winds off the Central FL coast coming out of the SW?

that is the weakness that allows it to make a turn towards Hispanoila.
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874. MeterologyStudent56 8:02 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting jasoniswildman12:
i think i see two centers here with invest 91L


Report and Flag Jason Everyone
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875. NICycloneChaser 8:02 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting cloudburst2011:



well java you better get used to it 92L when it develops will have the same conditions to go through dry air lots of it and shear...the dry air is ruling the cape verde season this year...


Cape Verde season hasn't started yet. Indications are that SAL will be lower than average in the CATL.
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876. DFWjc 8:02 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting asgolfr999:


Interesting. Ever been in a non destructive Cat 2? No? me either lol


a non destructive Cat 2....hmm Alicia was a 3 in '83 and it was all wind and rain...plus we have better building codes now then back in '83...
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878. RitaEvac 8:02 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting cloudburst2011:



well java you better get used to it 92L when it develops will have the same conditions to go through dry air lots of it and shear...the dry air is ruling the cape verde season this year...


Well then it's 2009 and 2010 all over again, lets shut it down and come back next year
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879. HurricaneDean07 8:03 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Nicylcone what do you mean ANOTHER special update TWO
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880. GTcooliebai 8:03 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


A trough in August
Charley
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881. DFWjc 8:03 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting deaddude21:

No problem! MFFLs baby! :-)


Yeah! MFFL! If you only knew!!
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882. Torgen 8:03 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting tropicfreak:


Dude stop making usernames, you have always have been a troll, you can't hide yourself.


Isn't making multiple usernames in order to harass the blog (because everyone's blocked your previous ones) a bannable offense? Too bad IP bans don't work.
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884. Levi32 8:03 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
N, NW, and W winds being reported at Dominica in recent hours as well. This surface vortex is close to closed, if not already. (I don't have access to recon data right now).
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885. NICycloneChaser 8:03 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting HurricaneDean07:
Nicylcone what do you mean ANOTHER special update TWO


I mean we've had two special tropical weather outlooks in the past two days. Namely at 11 am this morning and at 5pm yesterday.
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886. java162 8:04 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
1007.9mb recorded in dominica. whats you all's take
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887. LakeWorthFinn 8:04 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting flhurricane:
its starting to look like an Ernesto-like path and intensity is in play here.


Aaahh, an Ernesto or Faye-type raingiver would be welcome to visit my dry neighborhood, but I guess most of South US wants a TS or similar slow moving storm... Let's see who'll win :)
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888. TropicalAnalystwx13 8:04 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting HurricaneDean07:
Nicylcone what do you mean ANOTHER special update TWO


There was one at 10:25 AM this morning.
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890. Thrawst 8:04 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Watch his epic weather coverage LOL.
Link


LOL! that's funny
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891. Ryuujin 8:05 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Thank God I don't have any hair left, I'd of already pulled it out.

BTW is there no way to IP ban Jason?
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892. CybrTeddy 8:05 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Flight level winds translate at this time to a 45 mph system.
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893. ackee 8:05 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
I confused with 91L think the NHC should upgrade it TROPICAL STORM 91L place ISland on gale warning this system is like DOLLY couls see an invest with 45mph winds
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894. asgolfr999 8:05 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting MeterologyStudent56:


Report and Flag Jason Everyone


Dude, you've been here 11 days. Chill out with the instructions. Most of us here know that to just ignore is better than to make a fuss. Chill out jeez
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895. RitaEvac 8:05 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting chevycanes:

do you not see the front off the SE coast of the US right now? do you not see the winds off the Central FL coast coming out of the SW?

that is the weakness that allows it to make a turn towards Hispanoila.


Got a ridge over Bahamas, front coming down aint gonna cut it, and then when that moves off the ridge of TX gonna go back to the east or NE and....well 91L gonna be thousand miles off course
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897. TampaFLUSA 8:05 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting DFWjc:


a non destructive Cat 2....hmm Alicia was a 3 in '83 and it was all wind and rain...plus we have better building codes now then back in '83...

Ike was a weakening 2 when it hit Houston and blew out windows downtown.
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898. ChrisDcat5Storm 8:05 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
N, NW, and W winds being reported at Dominica in recent hours as well. This surface vortex is close to closed, if not already. (I don't have access to recon data right now).


thanks
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899. wpb 8:05 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
down to %60at 8pm.

some model have backed off big time on 91l
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900. tropicfreak 8:05 PM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


Well then it's 2009 and 2010 all over again, lets shut it down and come back next year


Lets put cloudburst on ignore, he's only here to start trouble, I have no idea what he's talking about. He must be looking at the CLOUDBURST model.
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