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| Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:13 PM GMT on March 26, 2012 | +31 |
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.
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I agree on the count X intensity idea for the same reason, but I don't think that should be the only figure being shown. There should be 1 graph for the number of tornadoes, like the one already posted, and then a separate graph for count X intensity. Because you shouldn't discredit number of tornadoes just as you wouldn't want people thinking Florida is "tornado alley" either because it gets a high count of them.
The reason why numbers is still important is that considering I have been a resident in Central Florida for more than 16 years now I have witnessed 3 actual tornadoes with own eyes within this area and even though all 3 were fairly weak they still wreak havoc. I have only witness hail twice, which is kinda funny. Anyways, I remember watching Bay News 9 last year when a tornado which started as a waterspout came onshore as a 110 mph F1 tornado and took the top floor of a beach house and did a path of damage across the county quite close to me. There were people staying in that beach house that were terrified because they said they never thought Florida got tornadoes because its "paradise" and they didn't take the warning serious at all as a result. Thankfully the waterspout as it came on shore created a loud enough roar that sent them headed for a safe spot in the lower floor shortly before the tornado swept the top floor off the house.
If you get what I'm saying here, granted it was an F1 but it still did significant damage enough to potentially be deadly, 2 people were injured from the tornado but not serious from what I remember, I believe they were 2 different people that had their cars thrown around. That being said people coming to Florida or living here should be conscious of the frequency of tornadoes here.
I feel your pain!
I understand that we are coming out with newer technologies now. Actually, these technologies have been around for quite some time. We have improved upon them and are continuing to do so today. But, this is only putting out the match. How far down the chain have the events progressed when we put out the match? ( the reality of the situation is that, at the present, the match is still burning and growing hotter. )
The permafrost is an excellent example to use here. Think of the permafrost as the forest. The permafrost is showing strong indications that it is losing its ability to contain the methane and CO2 that is trapped there. Once this trapped methane and CO2 begins to enter the atmosphere, in sufficient quantities, we have lost the ability to control future events from there. Even by our putting out our match ( completely stop the releasing of CO2 into the atmosphere), the forest will continue to burn (the permafrost will continue to release its trapped methane and CO2). The process would not need any additional release of CO2, by us, to continue the process beyond the CO2 we have released. We have no known way to stop the permafrost from releasing its methane and CO2, once it has begun to do so. The process will continue without us and without regards to anything else we could do.
Striking the match was a tipping point. You can never unstrike that match again. You have introduced a potential, but, by putting out the match you have ended the potential of crossing to the next tipping point. The next tipping point is when the paper catches on fire and this creates another potential. Should you put the paper out and assure that the match is still not burning then you have stopped the process from reaching the next tipping point. You can continue this until the potential for the fire to spread beyond the forest fire has been eliminated. The only way to do this is to put out the forest fire before it could trigger the next tipping point. Each link in the chain that the chain events have surpassed has become more difficult to control from there. You will reach the point that you will no longer be able to break the chain of events.
Each fire becomes hotter than the fire that created it and the added heat brings new materials closer to their flashpoint. Once their flashpoint has been reached they will burst into flames and create even more heat that brings other materials closer to their flashpoints. Any fire fighter knows that once a fire reaches a certain intensity the only thing you can do is to protect the exposures and to let the fire burn itself out. The fire is out of control and is irreversible. The fire will continue until it can no longer sustain itself. Then, and only then, are the firefighters able to step back in to finally bring the fire under control and to extinguish it. With the climate, we are talking about one huge fire with a huge amount of materials to burn.
Please. Tell me you understand now. I am running out of analogies to use.
BTW, the article never said we have reached the final tipping before it all becomes irreversible. The article did strongly suggest that this time is soon approaching.
They may from hunger, when petroleum based fertizer is no longer available. Or from warfare, when the last few drops of oil become so precious we turn upon ourselves for our own share, only to burn it and curse its scarcity. Or perhaps die from lack of medical care, when plastic syringes and IV lines are no longer available because we believed oil would last forever. This is the fate of the world we love and inhabit, if we can't find a way through the next few decades, but we will die at our own hands.
I've lived here for 16 years and seen 3, maybe you don't have your eyes to the skies enough :) I also witness a lot more meteorites than my friends because of my eyes being on the sky from so much storm tracking!
Really though, most people in traditionally tornado alley report never seeing one either. Unfortunately people start ignoring warnings sometimes because they didn't personally see a tornado themselves during a warning so it must have been hyped.
Its similar to how I know many people who aren't concerned with the future of the U.S. only because nothing has happened to them yet. That type of thinking doesn't make any sense and aggravates me greatly but its a common thing in human nature because many people would rather ignore a danger no matter how serious until its too late or almost too late and finally hits home.
Very interesting image, yes we get a lot of tornadoes here in Pinellas :)
That 3 marker in north Pinellas is actually very close to where I live, that 1 marker near high point I believe is the one that last year that appeared to be heading right at me but missed to the south, I found clear evidence of the damage path.
Looks like Tornado Alley and the Great Lakes areas and slightly further south could be in for this one.
Totally off subject, but with turmoil in the middle east, oil there, guy shooting 16 civilians, people hating Obama, young black kid in Florida gets shot and everybody across the nation protesting (like Rodney King) all over again, with elections coming up, Occupy Wall Street thawing out and getting organized for spring and summer, gas prices outta control, storms ravaging areas, earthquakes constantly popping somewhere across the globe, economy on the brink....
The whole friggin planet is ready to explode in utter turmoil and chaos like never before seen. Something is building up and bout to explode seems like by the end of this year
Now here is the big one of Pinellas County, the F4 which killed more than 10 and injured more than 500.
If I am correct under the new EF scale this tornado would actually be an EF5 because its winds I believe were estimated to be greater than 200 mph...
April 4, 1966 - Pinellas/Hillsborough/Polk/Osceola/Orange/Brevard
The tornado remained on the ground for 90 percent of its life span. 11 fatalities occurred and 300 people received injuries.[10] One or two homes incurred F4 damage in Gibsonia. It is probable that the event constituted a tornado family, and the total path length may have been less than 135.8 miles (218.6 km).[
15 PINELLAS 04/04/1966 0700 Tornado F4 3 80 25.0M 0
16 POLK 04/04/1966 0810 Tornado F4 8 450 25.0M 0
17 OSCEOLA 04/04/1966 0900 Tornado F4 0 0 25.0M 0
One mega-quake on populated area on west coast, with Tsunami, and a Cat 4-5 cane on the Gulf coast destroying offshore platforms and rigs and hits either Houston or NOLA, gas prices already around $4, and economy hanging on by a thread, it'll be like the end of the world in America, were sitting ducks and we better hope we duck IF or WHEN it happens....then throw all the above in from previous quote.
Nice website TampaSpin
To add to that plenty of easterly windshear with the QBO being positive. Also sst's across the tropical atl are running below normal near the african coast.
ECM MSLP
Thanks...i have put a lot of work into it to provide CURRENT info as quick as possible 24/7
Actually, sun activity has been quite low overall, so you can't really use that against AGW.
The main thing is I don't think we don't really know how much of Climate Change can be blamed on people because from what I see we have a relatively limited period of history to truly observe Climate. Even though there are techniques to have an idea what was going on in the past like ice cores, human beings didn't have a Global network of scientific study with technology throughout most of human history. Furthermore, knowing what the Climate was like with accuracy with pre-human history is even more dicey.That being said, there has been far too much scientific research done on humans affecting Climate to make the Claim the humans aren't contributing at all. Heck you don't even need to know modern science to understand that, it only makes sense humans have to be affecting ecosystems and Climate to some degree.I'm sure some of Climate Change is human caused, even though some here act as if I deny so, but because of our limited period of history of data to work with, I don't think it is sound science to make such claims of certainty as to how Climate Change will continue to evolve. Again, a lot of progress has been made in the field but regardless of the advancement certain claims are being made about Climate Change that I don't think can be true.
Today I'm willing to actually discuss this a little more because the blog seems to be rather civilized on the issue today. I tried bringing up my view on it a few days ago but the replies I received reflected more of an attitude toward my skepticism rather than a desire to show me information on Climate Change, as a result, I refuse to elaborate further with anyone who desires to engage in a biased argument. But if someone is will do so because they feel I'm missing something, that I am actually fine with.I'm not attempting to come up with a counter theory to what is current about AGW. As I stated, I can see how humans do clearly affect the Climate to a degree, but I don't see the claim that we know exactly how much humans have contributed and how exactly the future of Climate Change will evolve.
My skepticism is bred out of how short of period this field of study has existed. Yes I know its been around for a while compared to some fields of study, but to me unlike other sciences, because it is Climate we are talking about here it would have required us to be advanced in the scientific study of Climate Change for the last several thousand years before we started affecting the Climate in order to know what is exactly happening today and what will happen further this Century with good argument.
Like I said, I'm open to anyone who really wants to give me a great answer, just don't throw an angry attack because I'm a skeptic, if you do, I will refuse to discuss it once again because to me then the the discussion becomes futile.
Yes. All of that is happening now. What I see, with how people are treating people and with the difficulty facing us in each day, there were worse times. Much worse times and just from the last century.
WWI
The American Dust Bowl.
The Great Depression.
The biggest of them all, WWII.
All of these things effected the U.S. and our ability to conduct the business of our daily life. The rest of the world was also suffering as much, if not more, than the U.S. was. But, here we are today and, for the most part, we are better off than most were before the end of WWII.
Is the potential here today for the past events to look like a mere blip on a radar screen? Yes, if we act foolishly. ... act foolishly? .... act foolishly?!
OK, you are right! We are DOOMED!
It'd be too anti-climactic for a ReallyBadYear to occur when every prophet wannabe says something awful is gonna happen in 2012. And unlikely when a general wariness pervades society.
It's when the "prophet"s are proclaiming "Eveything is gonna be hunky dory forever!" that ya gotta worry:
Witness the "rah rah rah, sis boom bah" lead-up to the CreditCrunch of 2007.
Or how the feel-good atmosphere created by the success of "Whip Inflation Now" drew in the massive influx of foreign capital that caused the economy to boom... under AdolfHitler.
The same spirit of unbridled optimism about the future caused the idiots in charge to decide that their economies were strong enough to fight and easily win "The War to End All Wars" in 1914.
Another factor for not previously mentioned:
Indications of a warm Kelvin Wave moving across the Pacific.
Cold anomalies in SST departures have diminished.
Factors against:
Rising SOI
Cold PDO phase.
High SST's in the GOMEX.
Well above SST anomalies in the Jet Stream.
Based on this, it is now growing more event that a typical El Nino event will infact be gripping the Atlantic this hurricane season. However, here's the key - it's going to occur later than in 2009 and 2006 did, say around mid-season or so, and it will lag somewhat causing a slightly more robust hurricane season than what we saw in 2009 and 2006, so around 12-13 is a fair bet. Overall, we are probably looking at a normal hurricane season, not below (2009) or above (2011, 2010). However, we could for all we know have 9 of those 12 storms hit land.
Proof? Logic would say it leads to a lower risk, at least for big storms. Of course, there are exceptions (Andrew)
It sounds like good old 1429 is about to come back into view. 15% chance of X class flare Thursday, 55% chance of M class.
I've found myself really getting into tracking sunspots, solar flares, etc. I'd never really even known about the science of it a few weeks ago. Another thing I've learned from this blog :)
Fear is the greatest way of warning
Ah, it's back from the grave. Or maybe it never totally went there to begin with and is just being rehashed/recycled.
LOL
I think that's a fair assessment of what may happen during the coming season
There's a strong CAP in place both here and in South Dakota. I highly doubt today is worth a Slight risk. Initiation will start after dark at the earliest.
"CSU's December 2011 discussion was notable in that the forecasting team announced it would no longer attempt quantitative forecasting nearly six months out, noting "...forecasts of the last 20 years have not shown real-time forecast skill." They will, however, release a quantitative forecast for 2012 in April." (from Wikipedia)
The following names will be used for named storms that form in the North Atlantic in 2012...The names not retired from this list will be used again in the 2018 season. This is the same list used in the 2006 season.
Alberto (unused)
Beryl (unused)
Chris (unused)
Debby (unused)
Ernesto (unused)
Florence (unused)
Gordon (unused)
Helene (unused)
Isaac (unused)
Joyce (unused)
Kirk (unused)
Leslie (unused)
Michael (unused)
Nadine (unused)
Oscar (unused)
Patty (unused)
Rafael (unused)
Sandy (unused)
Tony (unused)
Valerie (unused)
William (unused)
Link 2012 Hurricane Season
Good summary there. What we have to look is how will be the pattern of steering for those systems regardless of how many may form.
No, it does not. Not sure what you're looking at...
March 22, 2012:
March 26, 2012:
My mistake - I was referring to Sunday.
Why is it that Plaza always goes to bed when I answer him. That is why I dislike talking to Europeans on the blog. They go to bed too early.
1075. Grothar 4:58 AM CEST on March 26, 2012
Right Grother! Where are you now? Its well after midnight here and I supose you are still "having breakfast"!
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Magnitude 4.9 - KEPULAUAN TALAUD, INDONESIA
2012 March 26 22:21:06 UTC
Earthquake Details
This event has been reviewed by a seismologist.
Magnitude 4.9
Date-Time
Monday, March 26, 2012 at 22:21:06 UTC
Tuesday, March 27, 2012 at 06:21:06 AM at epicenter
Location
4.062°N, 126.418°E
Depth
64.4 km (40.0 miles)
Region
KEPULAUAN TALAUD, INDONESIA
Distances
266 km (166 miles) SSE (149°) from General Santos, Mindanao, Philippines
336 km (208 miles) NNE (31°) from Manado, Sulawesi, Indonesia
347 km (216 miles) SSE (165°) from Davao, Mindanao, Philippines
968 km (601 miles) WSW (248°) from KOROR, Palau
Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 22.8 km (14.2 miles); depth +/- 15.6 km (9.7 miles)
Parameters
NST= 34, Nph= 34, Dmin=345.1 km, Rmss=0.97 sec, Gp=119°,
M-type=body wave magnitude (Mb), Version=6
Source
Magnitude: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Location: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID
usc0008qnj
Yeah, the SST's have definitely warm...though not significantly
"Increased CO2 in the atmosphere has also turned oceans more acidic as they absorb it. In the past 200 years, ocean acidification has happened at a speed not seen for around 60 million years, said Carol Turley at Plymouth Marine Laboratory."
Like I said, I'm not ignoring the green house effect, but statements like this is what is not sound science to me. How can they claim they know what the acidity of of the ocean was 60 million years ago?
"In a worst case scenario, 30 to 63 billion tonnes of carbon a year could be released by 2040, rising to 232 to 380 billion tonnes by 2100. This compares to around 10 billion tonnes of CO2 released by fossil fuel use each year."
Again, that's pure assumption.
""This is the critical decade. If we don't get the curves turned around this decade we will cross those lines," said Will Steffen, executive director of the Australian National University's climate change institute, speaking at a conference in London."
I don't see any proof in this. Scientific American also posted an article here saying we need a world government:
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With that being said, some of you wonder why I'm skeptical of certain aspects on Climate Change, when Scientific American is making such claims that we need a world government. Really? A world government? That idea is about as sensible as "Drill Baby Drill" well, maybe not quite that bad, it sounds like a good idea, but the risks involved are far too big. That is of course unless you really believe in what the claim about now being the tipping point.
I don't see any convincing proof of any of those claims. Again, is there proof Climate Change is real? No doubt, is there proof humans are affecting it? For sure.
Is there proof Climate Change might be at the tipping point of being irreversible and we need to mobilize a world government to enforce drastic world wide change? I'm going to go with a huge no.
Even if it was true, a world government as the solution is senseless anyway.
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