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Did Hurricane Wilma have 209 mph sustained winds?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:00 PM GMT on April 28, 2012 +51
At last week's 30th Conference on Hurricanes and Tropical Meteorology of the American Meteorological Society, Dr. Eric Uhlhorn of NOAA's Hurricane Research Division presented a poster that looked at the relationship between surface winds measured by the SFMR instrument and flight-level winds in two Category 5 storms. Hurricane Hunter flights done into Category 5 Supertyphoon Megi (17 October 2010) and Category 5 Hurricane Felix (03 September 2007) found that the surface winds measured by SFMR were greater than those measured at flight level (10,000 feet.) Usually, surface winds in a hurricane are 10 - 15% less than at 10,000 feet, but he showed that in super-intense Category 5 storms with small eyes, the dynamics of these situations may generate surface winds that are as strong or stronger than those found at 10,000 feet. He extrapolated this statistical relationship (using the inertial stability measured at flight level) to Hurricane Wilma of 2005, which was the strongest hurricane on record (882 mb), but was not observed by the SFMR. He estimated that the maximum wind averaged around the eyewall in Wilma at peak intensity could have been 209 mph, plus or minus 20 mph--so conceivably as high as 229 mph, with gusts to 270 mph. Yowza. That's well in excess of the 200 mph minimum wind speed a top end EF-5 tornado has. The Joplin, Missouri EF-5 tornado of May 22, 2011 had winds estimated at 225 - 250 mph. That tornado ripped pavement from the ground, leveled buildings to the concrete slabs they were built on, and killed 161 people. It's not a pretty thought to consider what Wilma would have done to Cancun, Key West, or Fort Myers had the hurricane hit with sustained winds of what the Joplin tornado had.


Figure 1. Hurricane Wilma's pinhole eye as seen at 8:22 a.m. CDT Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2005, by the crew aboard NASA's international space station as the complex flew 222 miles above the storm. At the time, Wilma was the strongest Atlantic hurricane in history, with a central pressure of 882 mb and sustained surface winds estimated at 185 mph. The storm was located in the Caribbean Sea, 340 miles southeast of Cozumel, Mexico. Image source: NASA's Space Photo Gallery.


Figure 2. Damage in Joplin, Missouri after the EF-5 tornado of May 22, 2011. Image credit: wunderphotographer thebige.

Official all-time strongest winds in an Atlantic hurricane: 190 mph
The official record for strongest winds in an Atlantic hurricane is 190 mph, for Hurricane Allen of 1980 as it was entering the Gulf of Mexico, and for Hurricane Camille of 1969, as it was making landfall in Pass Christian, Mississippi. In Dr. Bob Sheets' and Jack Williams' book, Hurricane Watch, they recount the Hurricane Hunters flight into Camile as the hurricane reached peak intensity: On Sunday afternoon, August 17, and Air Force C-130 piloted by Marvin Little penetrated Camille's eye and measured a pressure of 26.62 inches of mercury. "Just as we were nearing the eyewall cloud we suddenly broke into a clear area and could see the sea surface below," the copilot, Robert Lee Clark, wrote in 1982. "What a sight! Although everyone on the crew was experienced except me, no one had seen the wind whip the sea like that before...Instead of the green and white splotches normally found in a storm, the sea surface was in deep furrows running along the wind direction....The velocity was beyond the descriptions used in our training and far beyond anything we had ever seen." So, the 190 mph winds of Camille were an estimate that was off the scale from anything that had ever been observed in the past. The books that the Hurricane Hunters carried, filled with photos of the sea state at various wind speeds, only goes up to 150 mph (Figure 2). I still used this book to estimate surface winds when I flew with the Hurricane Hunters in the late 1980s, and the books are still carried on the planes today. In the two Category 5 hurricanes I flew into, Hugo and Gilbert, I never observed the furrowing effect referred to above. Gilbert had surface winds estimated at 175 mph based on what we measured at flight level, so I believe the 190 mph wind estimate in Camille may be reasonable.


Figure 3. Appearance of the sea surface in winds of 130 knots (150 mph). Image credit: Wind Estimations from Aerial Observations of Sea Conditions (1954), by Charlie Neumann.


Figure 4. Radar image of Hurricane Camille taken at 22:15 UTC August 17, 1969, a few hours before landfall in Mississippi. At the time, Camille had the highest sustained winds of any Atlantic hurricane in history--190 mph.

The infamous hurricane hunter flight into Wilma during its rapid intensification
While I was at last week's conference, I had a conversation with Rich Henning, a flight meteorologist for NOAA's Hurricane Hunters, who served for many years as a Air Reconnaissance Weather Officer (ARWO) for the Air Force Hurricane Hunters. Rich told me the story of the Air Force Hurricane Hunter mission into Hurricane Wilma in the early morning hours of October 19, 2005, as Wilma entered its explosive deepening phase. The previous airplane, which had departed Category 1 Wilma six hours previously, flew through Wilma at an altitude of 5,000 feet. They measured a central pressure of 954 mb when they departed the eye at 23:10 UTC. The crew of the new plane assumed that the hurricane, though intensifying, was probably not a major hurricane, and decided that they would also go in at 5,000 feet. Winds outside the eyewall were less than hurricane force, so this seemed like a reasonable assumption. Once the airplane hit the eyewall, they realized their mistake. Flight level winds quickly rose to 186 mph, far in excess of Category 5 strength, and severe turbulence rocked the aircraft. The aircraft was keeping a constant pressure altitude to maintain their height above the ocean during the penetration, but the area of low pressure at Wilma's center was so intense that the airplane descended at over 1,000 feet per minute during the penetration in order to maintain a constant pressure altitude. By they time they punched into the incredibly tiny 4-mile wide eye, which had a central pressure of just 901 mb at 04:32 UTC, the plane was at a dangerously low altitude of 1,500 feet--not a good idea in a Category 5 hurricane. The pilot ordered an immediate climb, and the plane exited the other side of Wilma's eyewall at an altitude of 10,000 feet. They maintained this altitude for the remainder of the flight. During their next pass through the eye at 06:11 UTC, the diameter of the eye had shrunk to an incredibly tiny two miles--the smallest hurricane eye ever measured. During their third and final pass through the eye at 0801 UTC, a dropsonde found a central pressure of 882 mb--the lowest pressure ever observed in an Atlantic hurricane. In the span of just 24 hours, Wilma had intensified from a 70 mph tropical storm to a 175 mph category 5 hurricane--an unprecedented event for an Atlantic hurricane. Since the pressure was still falling, it is likely that Wilma became even stronger after the mission departed.

I'll have a new post by Tuesday at the latest.

Jeff Masters
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1201. BahaHurican 10:59 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Also I'm rethinking Wilma's pinhole eye in the tornado context, and realizing that a tornado 2 miles wide is about the size of Wilma's eye at that point.

It's a real good thing Wilma was being her bad self all by her lonesome out there in the CAR....
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1202. nigel20 11:02 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:



how about 345 ?

That would destroy steel reinforce contrete buildings
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1203. PedleyCA 11:04 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
I don't want to be anywhere around when they start forecasting hurricanes to make landfall with winds in excess of 200 mph....


California is a good place or Western Canada. rotflmao
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1204. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 11:04 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
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1205. nigel20 11:09 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Hurricane Ivan had a ocean wave of 91ft with 160mph, so winds of 300mph would likely cause well in excess of 100ft
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1206. PedleyCA 11:10 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
still on my screen


Well, it must be that I am unworthy of that information. I logged off and logged back on and no change. Well, then I am protected from people going off on me then. If it don't work they can't minus me too many times, lol
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1207. hydrus 11:13 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Also I'm rethinking Wilma's pinhole eye in the tornado context, and realizing that a tornado 2 miles wide is about the size of Wilma's eye at that point.

It's a real good thing Wilma was being her bad self all by her lonesome out there in the CAR....
Amen. I believe that it was fortunate no recon flight inside Wilma at peak strength. The trip may have ended differently.
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1208. TropicalAnalystwx13 11:13 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Jeez, I had to read back a whole page (200 posts).

Must be hurricane season...right?
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1209. GeoffreyWPB 11:17 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
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1210. GeoffreyWPB 11:18 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
If I can get the gumption up and dig up the pictures, I’ll show you what Wilma did to my house. Changed my life forever.
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1211. TropicalAnalystwx13 11:18 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
This was the tornado produced by that storm in western Texas last night.

I usually don't bash, but the NWS really dropped the ball on this yesterday. It had a good radar signature and even after a tornado was reported, the severe thunderstorm warning was never upgraded to a tornado warning.

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1212. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 11:20 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Jeez, I had to read back a whole page (200 posts).

Must be hurricane season...right?
well it is 32 days away things pick up from here on out till jun 1 on the blog lots of people will be showing up over the next 4 weeks or so
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1213. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 11:26 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
TOTAL STORMS 11 TO 14
TOTAL HURRICANES 6 TO 9
TOTAL MAJORS 3 TO 5
TOTAL CAT 5's 0 TO 2
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1214. weatherh98 11:27 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
This was the tornado produced by that storm in western Texas last night.

I usually don't bash, but the NWS really dropped the ball on this yesterday. It had a good radar signature and even after a tornado was reported, the severe thunderstorm warning was never upgraded to a tornado warning.



i thought they did i still dont think the first image you posted of the inbound/outbound wind was a tornado
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1215. guygee 11:30 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
The observation of "ripped pavement from the ground" is very subjective. Obviously there will be a big difference in the strength of pavement depending on whether it is a country road with a relatively thin layer of pavement on a gravel bed, compared to a city road many times paved over underlaid by brick or the pavement of an interstate highway. Using the observation of "ripped pavement from the ground" to determine the strength of a tornado is not very useful and prone to error.
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1216. BahaHurican 11:30 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Jeez, I had to read back a whole page (200 posts).

Must be hurricane season...right?
Getting there.... only 2 weeks to EPac, and 30 days from now we'll be ready for ATL opening day....
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1217. bappit 11:31 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
What's the source of that tornado pic?
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1218. BahaHurican 11:31 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
BTW, 3+ inches here today per our local news station.
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1219. nigel20 11:33 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting PedleyCA:


Well, it must be that I am unworthy of that information. I logged off and logged back on and no change. Well, then I am protected from people going off on me then. If it don't work they can't minus me too many times, lol

I don't think you would get too many minuses
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1220. hydrus 11:34 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
I thought this was interesting. In 1894, strong winds in Nebraska pushed six fully loaded coal cars over 160 kilometers in just over three hours.
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1221. nigel20 11:35 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Jeez, I had to read back a whole page (200 posts).

Must be hurricane season...right?

It's only a month away, so bloggers are getting excited
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1222. PedleyCA 11:35 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting nigel20:

I don't think you would get too many minuses


What a nice thought. So far I am +1 and -0 but who knows as I have no count now and it doesn't show for anyone as far as that goes. Maybe it will return on its own. I should look at the settings and see if there is anything there that I could have changed.
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1223. nigel20 11:38 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
BTW, 3+ inches here today per our local news station.

If you short on rain, then 3 inches would be good
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1224. aspectre 11:38 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
1160 GeorgiaStormz [inre 1156] : According to the Elements of Style, required in my curriculum, it is perfectly fine to deviate from standard grammar rules to better express your meaning.
The problem comes when the deviation is in no way necessary or even beneficial.


The very real problems arise from having lackwits compose and/or grade the English proficiency sections of the IQ, GED, SAT, college application essays, CLEP, employment exams, etc. It's especially bad when those tests are machine-graded without any followup questioning by well-trained humans.
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1225. BahaHurican 11:38 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Guess the weather has been bad enough for the Ministry of Education to call off school.... the equivalent of a snow day for pple living points north....

The problem isn't so much that it will likely be raining again tomorrow so much as that the roads that thousands of children walk to school will be waterlogged.

I am sure parents LOVE this.... lol... they don't get the day off.
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1226. TropicalAnalystwx13 11:42 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting guygee:
The observation of "ripped pavement from the ground" is very subjective. Obviously there will be a big difference in the strength of pavement depending on whether it is a country road with a relatively thin layer of pavement on a gravel bed, compared to a city road many times paved over underlaid by brick or the pavement of an interstate highway. Using the observation of "ripped pavement from the ground" to determine the strength of a tornado is not very useful and prone to error.

Still, it takes a very powerful tornado to rip it out of the ground. Typically indicative of an EF4 or EF5 tornado.
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1227. BahaHurican 11:43 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
I have wondered what they use when the road wasn't paved to begin with.
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1228. hydrus 11:44 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
TOTAL STORMS 11 TO 14
TOTAL HURRICANES 6 TO 9
TOTAL MAJORS 3 TO 5
TOTAL CAT 5's 0 TO 2
interesting. I,d say you do not think El-Niner,s gonna be here in time to smother things a bit...
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1229. nigel20 11:46 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Guess the weather has been bad enough for the Ministry of Education to call off school.... the equivalent of a snow day for pple living points north....

The problem isn't so much that it will likely be raining again tomorrow so much as that the roads that thousands of children walk to school will be waterlogged.

I am sure parents LOVE this.... lol... they don't get the day off.

We dont't usually get school breaks in Jamaica unless there is extreme rainfall...we had about three days break in TS Nicole and the damage was so bad in Gilbert that most schools remained closed for an entire semester
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1230. hydrus 11:49 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting nigel20:

We dont't usually get school breaks in Jamaica unless there is extreme rainfall...we had about three days break in TS Nicole and the damage was so bad in Gilbert that most schools remained closed for an entire semester
Gilbert was a monster. I am glad it was not at cat-5 status when it ran right down the backbone of the country.
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1231. hydrus 11:52 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
4 day map looks like summer..
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1232. PedleyCA 11:55 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Nigel20- Not even close to the 88 I mentioned this morning that they changed down from 93. It made it to 81.4 on my sensor, which is 6.6 under the updated forecast. I use the old site.
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1233. nigel20 11:57 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
Gilbert was a monster. I am glad it was not at cat-5 status when it ran right down the backbone of the country.

I would not be surprised if Gilbert was a cat 4 upon impact or maybe the terrain brought down some very strong gust. The prime minister at the time Hon Edward Seaga said it was like a nuclear bomb went off in the country after flying over the damage...there was a farmer in the eastern end of the island that lost over 40000 of his 50000 Coconuts
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1234. nigel20 11:59 PM GMT on April 29, 2012    
Quoting PedleyCA:
Nigel20- Not even close to the 88 I mentioned this morning that they changed down from 93. It made it to 81.4 on my sensor, which is 6.6 under the updated forecast. I use the old site.

Yeah, way below the forecast high of the day
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1235. GeorgiaStormz 12:03 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
GO ATLANTA HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

My PWS recorded 89.5F, but i live in a warm area.
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1236. nigel20 12:03 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
April 29 SST Anomaly
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1237. aspectre 12:04 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
1158 trHUrrIXC5MMX: how about this craziness...
...BERYL STRENGTHENS TO 345 MPH... BREAKING ALL CYCLONE RECORDS FOR FOR THE ERA... THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS PHENOMENON MAKING HISTORY


Actually that'd be a minor side effect barely worth mentioning, if anyone were to pay attention to it. Certainly not history making in comparison to the major asteroid strike and/or volcanic SuperEruption that caused the hypercane.
'bout like complaining about an itch while being eaten by a KomodoDragon.
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1238. Grothar 12:08 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
I will post the animated version in a minute, but there seems to be a flare-up near the low SE of Fla

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1239. bappit 12:10 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
This was the tornado produced by that storm in western Texas last night.

I usually don't bash, but the NWS really dropped the ball on this yesterday. It had a good radar signature and even after a tornado was reported, the severe thunderstorm warning was never upgraded to a tornado warning.


What's the source of the picture? How do we know what tornado this is?
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1240. BrickellBreeze 12:10 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
I will post the animated version in a minute, but there seems to be a flare-up near the low SE of Fla




Will Dmin/Dmax affect this system?
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1241. TropicalAnalystwx13 12:11 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
The most aggressive wording the National Hurricane Center would use for a storm like that would be...

"...POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC BERYL HEADED TOWARDS THE GULF COAST..."
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1242. TropicalAnalystwx13 12:12 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
Quoting bappit:

What's the source of the picture? How do we know what tornado this is?

It's from a storm chaser that was on this storm last night, and he specified in his post that it was.
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1243. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 12:19 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
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1244. Grothar 12:19 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
Quoting BrickellBreeze:



Will Dmin/Dmax affect this system?


I don't know.
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1245. ClevelandBob 12:24 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
Hi everyone. Longtime lurker first time blogger, anyway, what do you all think of the severe threat this week?
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1246. ProgressivePulse 12:25 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
I will post the animated version in a minute, but there seems to be a flare-up near the low SE of Fla



Going to get a bit interesting overnight, IMO. Was watching that area earlier today, seemed to be heading a bit to the NNE out of the straits. Other circulations in the vicinity at the time, reminded me of a broad low with embedded vorticie. Seemed to be the most well defined looking at earlier 1k visible, nothing at the surface however. Convergence has waned this afternoon thus the decrease in convection, should return later this evening however, stay tuned.
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1247. Grothar 12:25 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
Quoting aspectre:
1160 GeorgiaStormz [inre 1156] : According to the Elements of Style, required in my curriculum, it is perfectly fine to deviate from standard grammar rules to better express your meaning.
The problem comes when the deviation is in no way necessary or even beneficial.


The very real problems arise from having lackwits compose and/or grade the English proficiency sections of the IQ, GED, SAT, college entry essays, CLEP, employment exams, etc. It's especially bad when those tests are machine-graded without any followup questioning by well-trained humans.


Hey, aspectre. You mean all those years I spent learning English was a waist? I didn't realize there tweren't no such things as rules. I even teached it wrong. Someone even borrowed me a book about it. Wow, now I feel like a maroon. :)
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1248. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 12:26 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
XX/AOI/XL
MARK
24.46N/80.11W
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1249. Grothar 12:28 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:


Going to get a bit interesting overnight, IMO. Was watching that area earlier today, seemed to be heading a bit to the NNE out of the straits. Other circulations in the vicinity at the time, reminded me of a broad low with embedded vorticie. Seemed to be the most well defined looking at earlier 1k visible, nothing at the surface however. Convergence has waned this afternoon thus the decrease in convection, should return later this evening however, stay tuned.


Hey, PP I couldn't build the GIF on the other site, but here is a link to what I was referring earlier.

Link
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1250. BrickellBreeze 12:28 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:


Going to get a bit interesting overnight, IMO. Was watching that area earlier today, seemed to be heading a bit to the NNE out of the straits. Other circulations in the vicinity at the time, reminded me of a broad low with embedded vorticie. Seemed to be the most well defined looking at earlier 1k visible, nothing at the surface however. Convergence has waned this afternoon thus the decrease in convection, should return later this evening however, stay tuned.


Although Convection is minimal at the moment, should we expected a flare up and a large shield of rain to form like earlier today for tommorow over metro dade, broward, palm beach?
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1251. taco2me61 12:30 AM GMT on April 30, 2012    
Hello Everybody,

Just thought I would check in and see what's going own....

Its always good to see the regulars in here as well as some new people....

Taco :o)
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