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Grading NHC's Tropical Weather Outlook
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 4:33 PM GMT on June 06, 2007 +4
The National Hurricane Center's Tropical Weather Outlook (TWO) is a text-only product that rates the potential of disturbed areas of weather to turn into tropical depressions or tropical storms. The outlooks are issued four times daily, at 5am, 11am, 5pm, and 11pm EDT. I've found them to be an excellent guide to what to watch out for. But how accurate are these outlooks? To find out, Jamie Rhome and Dan Brown, who are two of the hurricane specialists that write the Tropical Weather Outlook, verified the accuracy of all the outlooks issued in 2005 and 2006. They used a three-tiered classification of threat based on the following language appearing in the TWO:

High: "A tropical depression could form tonight or the next day."

Medium: "Some slow development is possible."

Low: "Tropical storm formation is not expected."


These forecasts were then graded by looking at the "best track" database of Atlantic hurricanes and seeing if a tropical depression formed within 48 hours of each TWO issued. The results, shown below, reveal that for the Atlantic in the years 2005 and 2006:

-When the TWO said, "A tropical depression could form tonight of the next day," a depression formed within 48 hours 53% of the time.

-When the TWO said, "Some slow development is possible," a tropical depression formed within 48 hours about 20% of the time.

-When the TWO said, "Tropical storm formation is not expected," a tropical depression formed within 48 hours only 3% of the time.




Figure 1. Verification of the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific Tropical Weather Outlooks issued in 2005 and 2006. Image credit: Jamie Rhome and Dan Brown, National Hurricane Center.

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1601. hurricane23 9:03 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
The odds highly favor that 93L will never be a U.S. threat.
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1602. sporteguy03 9:06 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Agreed 23, long way to go for it being a threat to anyone, I was just surprised on how the Global Models view the AB High
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1603. sporteguy03 9:11 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
I don't see a center in the Carib and it is approaching shear of 40 Knts
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1604. KoritheMan 9:13 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
If 93L survives (unlikely, as we all know), why would it not impact the U.S.? If the Bermuda High stays where it's at, and it survives harsh conditions (possible, since blob in Carribean is doing it...), it would hit the U.S. eventually most likely. Besides, it would probably only be a tropical storm at landfall, which is hardly anything to worry about.

As for the blob in the Carribean, Barry formed in the face of 20-40 knot shear, so why wouldn't this survive shear? Shear has died down about 10 knots, so if it keeps surviving, it may eventually acquire a circulation.
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1605. KoritheMan 9:14 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
These are just my opinions though, and they could easily be wrong, so please don't take them the wrong way. I'm just betting that this season will feature some potent storms for the U.S. In June though, who gives a crap?
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1607. TayTay 10:25 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
I hope it gets a name, but I don't see the NHC naming 3 straight that don't really deserve it.
1608. Thundercloud01221991 10:42 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Pacific TD 01 E according to Floater Hang on we already had 01 E it should read 03 E whatever
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1609. G35Wayne 11:00 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
There IS a circulation down in the carribean. check out the latest visibleLink
1610. WPBHurricane05 11:01 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
GFDL model run on 93L Link.
I have to agree here, no chance of development.
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1612. WPBHurricane05 11:03 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Gold in the EPAC Link
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1616. Thundercloud01221991 11:06 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
so
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1619. WPBHurricane05 11:08 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
that's not our basin...

We cover all the basins here.
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1621. TayTay 11:17 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
You're beyond stupid.
1622. hurricane23 11:32 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
805 AM EDT SUN JUN 10 2007

LARGE TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED ABOUT 415 NM SSE OF THE CAPE VERDE
ISLANDS IS ALONG 21W S OF 14N. THE WAVE IS MOVING JUST N OF DUE
WEST NEAR 20 KT AND REMAINS WELL DEFINED FOR EARLY JUNE. A SFC
LOW IS ALONG THE WAVE AXIS NEAR 9N. ALTHOUGH CLIMATOLOGY IS NOT
ON ITS SIDE...SOME DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM IS POSSIBLE OVER
THE NEXT DAY OR SO BEFORE IT ENCOUNTERS UNFAVORABLE UPPER-LEVEL
WINDS AND COOLER WATER TEMPERATURES. THE DEEP CONVECTION
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SYSTEM HAS DIMINISHED A BIT OVER THE LAST
SEVERAL HOURS...THOUGH SCATTERED MODERATE STILL EXISTS FROM
9N-11N BETWEEN 21W-24W...AND S OF THE LOW FROM 3N-7N BETWEEN
19W-25W.
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1623. hurricane23 11:42 AM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Early morning visible...Not as impressive as it was last night but we'll see what happens during the day.

wave
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1624. KYhomeboy 12:02 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
So...if the East Atlantic invest stays weaker rather than gaining strength....is it likely to regain a more westward....rather than west-north westward track??
1625. kmanislander 12:02 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Good morning all
Pressures in the West / Central Caribbean remain low and early vis images show what appears to be a "spin" near 15N 78W but without any recent Quikscat data I cannot tell if it is at the surface or in the mid/upper levels. The ULL that is pushing to SW near W Cuba is not allowing anything to develop for the time being

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1626. kmanislander 12:05 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
morning KY

Looks like another round of rain and thunder for us today as the ULL pulls convection into our area from down South
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1627. hurricane23 12:06 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Posted By: KYhomeboy at 8:02 AM EDT on June 10, 2007. (hide)
So...if the East Atlantic invest stays weaker rather than gaining strength....is it likely to regain a more westward....rather than west-north westward track??

Basically its just way to early to worry about anything this far out in the eastern atlantic which usually does not get going till mid july and especially august.Having said that some impressive waves have been rolling of the african coast the past 2-3 weeks but very little chance of tropical cyclone formation out here.Adrian
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1628. Patrap 12:08 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
GOM IR Loop Link
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1629. hurricane23 12:09 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Chances are remote that anything gets going in the SW caribbean with that ULL near by causeing 30-40kt windshear in its vicinity.
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1630. Patrap 12:10 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
4-panel wv zoom Link
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1631. KYhomeboy 12:10 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Morning kman. Yeah it looks like its setting up that way for today. Couldn't it wait until the weekend is over? lol. Thanks hurricane 23...
1632. Patrap 12:11 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
LSU WAVCIS model page for GOM..Link
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1633. kmanislander 12:13 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
I agree H 23
That ULL has to push back to the Yucatan and beyond before the SW Caribbean stands any chance of seeing development. In the meantime the NW Caribbean will have very unsettled weather. Jamaica will likely see flash flooding today. Could be a dangerous situation over there later today. Hope they are paying attention to what is coming up from their South
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1635. melwerle 12:57 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
oh....well how INTERESTING...just scanned through all the entries over the last 24 hours...so is this thing in the Atlantic still there?
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1637. kylejourdan2006 1:01 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Considering the conditions that Barry formed under, any storm that formed in the Carribbean with these wind shears wouldn't struggle that bad...

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1638. kmanislander 1:02 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
It is Mel but weakening. Little chance of any development this far out and this early in the season but one never knows.

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1639. Thundercloud01221991 1:02 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Yes the Atlantic thing is still there
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1640. RL3AO 1:03 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Lets see what happens again tonight.
1641. melwerle 1:04 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Thanks, kman...

Have a great day - will check back later and see what's going on. Right now, searching the personals trying to find a guy for my MOM. :)

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1642. kmanislander 1:06 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Lots of luck Mel :)
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1643. kmanislander 1:07 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Kyle please resize your image as it is stretching the blog.Thanks
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1644. kmanislander 1:25 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
There is a new blow up near the area where there is some spin in the atmosphere S of Jamaica near 13N. Will be interesting to see if this persists.
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1645. kmanislander 1:29 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Hi res IR close up of the same area

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1646. groundman 1:44 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Looks like the MJO might not be too unfavorable for the Carribean.

Link
1647. BahaHurican 1:49 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Morning all,

High pressure definitely in control here. First sun in days :o)

Taking a look at our two areas of interest this morning. I still say that E ATL system is showing lots of potential. It looks amazingly well structured for a simple tropical wave. It will be interesting to see if it persists.

I'm not so convinced by the disturbance in the SW Car. I think that will end up in the EPac before it makes something of itself.
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1648. stoormfury 1:52 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Good morning to all.
the wave in the eastern atlantic is still holding on. but for how long. during the next 24-36hrs it should encounter hostile conditions which should preclude any futher development. now the area of cloudiness in the sw caribbeanis moving north towards jamaica. to the south of this cloud mass is an area near 13n 80w is showing some form of circulation. wonder whether something might be brewing there. pressures in the vicinty are relatively low. still an area of concern
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1649. BahaHurican 1:58 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Try this. It's SUPPOSED to be a link to EUMETSAT loop of E. Africa and Cape Verde cyclogenesis area.

However, it's really just a still shot.
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1650. RL3AO 2:03 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
As long as the low keeps spinning, maybe it has a shot by Friday or Saturday in the Caribbean.
1651. 1900hurricane 2:17 PM GMT on June 10, 2007    
Check this out.

Link
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