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Disturbance 94L in Central Atlantic; NHC management changes
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:58 PM GMT on August 28, 2007 +3
A tropical wave midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles (labeled "invest 94L" by NHC this morning) has become a little better organized this morning, and does have the potential to develop into a tropical depression later this week. Wind shear is a favorable 5-10 knots over 94L, and shear should not be a problem for it over the next few days. The system is not well-organized, with a sloppy, elongated circulation, as seen on last night's QuikSCAT pass. This morning's QuikSCAT pass missed the storm. The system does have a major impediment to development--the presence of a large, dusty area of dry air surrounding its north side (Figure 1). Water vapor satellite loops of the region don't show any significant moistening of the region around 94L occurring, and this will have to happen before the system can develop into a tropical depression. If the storm can develop a better-organized circulation, it will be able to pump more moisture into the surrounding atmosphere and help itself out. Current visible satellite loops shows that this is not happening at present--the thunderstorm activity associated with 94L is rather weak.

None of the reliable computer models develop 94L. The system should track through the Lesser Antilles Islands on Friday, bringing gusty winds and heavy rain. I expect that the earliest 94L could become a tropical depression would be Thursday, and it is unlikely the Lesser Antilles would experience anything worse than a 50 mph tropical storm. It is more likely that 94L will still be a tropical disturbance when it passes through the Lesser Antilles.


Figure 1. Water vapor satellite image of the Central Atlantic from 8:15am EDT 8/28/07. The brown colors denote very dry and dusty air from the Saharan Desert.

Honduras disturbance
A westward-moving tropical wave is bringing heavy rains to Honduras and Nicaragua today. Due to its close proximity to land, development of this wave into a tropical depression is not expected. The wave is under 10-15 knots of wind shear. None of the reliable models are predicting that this system will develop.

Computer model update
The UKMET and GFS models are indicating the possible development of a tropical depression by Thursday or Friday off the coast of Africa. There is a large surge of moisture with at least one strong tropical wave embedded in it coming off the coast of Africa this week. This moister air should make a more favorable environment for a tropical depression to form in than the one 94L finds itself in.

Most of the models also predict a low pressure system will develop off the North Carolina coast along an old frontal boundary on Thursday. Such a development may be an ordinary extratropical low pressure system, but could make the transition to a tropical system if the shear drops low enough.

NHC management changes
Acting director Dr. Ed Rappaport of The National Hurricane Center (NHC) will continue on the job until the end of this hurricane season, NOAA management revealed yesterday. Rappaport replaced director Bill Proenza on July 9, following an extraordinary few months of tumult at NHC. Joining the NHC staff on September 4 will be a new interim deputy director--Bill Read, who currently serves as the meteorologist in charge of the National Weather Service's Houston-Galveston office. Deputy director was the post Rappaport held prior to July 9. Bill Read applied for the directorship of NHC when Max Mayfield retired, but was not awarded the job. His arrival at NHC during the peak of hurricane season will be a welcome addition, as he has considerable experience dealing with hurricane emergencies.

In an apparent effort to follow some of the management changes recommended by the independent review team that performed the snap inspection of NHC in early July (see Attachment 9 of the Senate testimony from July), a new manager of the ten hurricane forecasters has been appointed as well. Rick Knabb, who is one of the six senior hurricane specialists, will be the new manager, and will be Rappaport's backup for TV interviews during hurricane emergencies.

It is still undecided where former director Proenza will wind up, but the chairs of two Senate subcommittees investigating the matter have recommended that Proenza be returned to his former job as head the NWS Southern Region.

Next update
Tomorrow is the 2-year anniversary of Hurricane Katrina. I'll discuss my experience with blogging about the storm, and give an update on 94L and the rest of the tropics.

Jeff Masters
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851. extreme236 12:54 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
the disturbance isnt an official invest. it appears to be a special invest.
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852. extreme236 12:56 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
Posted By: eye at 12:54 AM GMT on August 29, 2007.

I agree with taz in regards to 94l and totally disagree with him in regards to the wave in the Carribean(it is heading W)

Eye, you cannot say it will poof, as it is doing exactly what it did last night.
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853. Stoopid1 12:57 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
Dirunal cycles and flucuations in activity are very normal for a wave of this strength. Don't discount it because it's losing some convection. It may likely regain it and more early this morning.
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854. Tazmanian 12:57 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
like hello the Carribean wave is not heading W it is heading N
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855. extreme236 12:58 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
eye, I have noticed that most of the posts that you post, are something negative about a system. I remember you clearly hinting that Dean wouldnt develop because the ngps or some other model didnt develop it.
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856. mississippiwx23 12:59 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
I believe we will see new convection in the next few hours. I doubt it is dead, considering it has moistened its surrounding region quite well.
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857. margot 12:59 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
This storm seems to be tracking over the warmest waters of the Atlantic and southern gulf,does this give it a higher chance of a becoming the next strong hurricane?
858. extreme236 12:59 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
Posted By: Tazmanian at 12:57 AM GMT on August 29, 2007.

like hello the Carribean wave is not heading it is heading N


Taz, the NHC is saying it is heading west. Is there a more northerly component? I believe so. the nhc is the experts, not any of us here. the wave appears to be moving more north due to the SW shear (shear maps show the little pink arrows hitting it from the SW)
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859. amazinwxman 12:59 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
94L appears to have a pretty decent moisture envelope associated with it, and the vertical shear appears to be rather low. One would think that the environmental conditions appear favorable for some development, which is basically what the NHC is indicating. However, the fact that NONE of the models develop this at all speaks volumes about the likely outcome of this system. Models aren't perfect when it comes to forecasting tropical cyclonegenesis, but let's face it: it's never a good thing when none of them forecast TC development from a particular disturbance. Remember 92L? The truth is, generally the global models are quite good at distinguishing between which disturbances have potential, and which ones don't.

The good thing is, the GFS and Euro have been more aggressive with depicting TC developing beyond Day 7 or so. Although there isn't the type of run to run consistency like there was with Dean, it probably is a sign that activity will pick up as we head into Early September. As far as Cape Verde systems are concerned, the window of opportunity for US strikes is closing quickly, with the chances of a CV storm hitting the US dropping markedly if the formation date is after early September. So for you CV US-hit fans out there, the next 2 weeks will be crucial.
860. extreme236 1:01 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
none of the global models developed Erin, now I do agree that model support helps the credibility of the system, but doenst mean everything
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861. eye 1:02 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
this invest is no Dean and will never ever even come close to a Dean....perhaps Erin(and has a LONG LONG way to even be a TD)
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862. mississippiwx23 1:03 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
I remember earlier in the year, when Dr. M talked about the models, he said that systems are most likely to develop during two conditions:
1) ALL the models pick it up
2) NONE of the models pick it up.

Its when only a few do that it usually doesnt happen. Kinda odd I guess.

Someone can correct me if I am remembering incorrectly.



Also, what is the difference between the FSU model A, and the FSU model B? Does anyone know?
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863. Cavin Rawlins 1:03 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
the Carribean wave only appears to be heading north to some ppl becuz the GOM and FL is to the north. A bet if that wave was over the Bahamas it would appear to be heading west....Its simple logic

By reading some of the post during Dean and Florence and many others, too numerous to mention, disturbances, TS, and hurricanes are attraced to the GOM or FL. I dont know why?
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865. extreme236 1:02 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
yes I agree, no Dean (unless some strange anomoly occured lol). Similiar to Erin, but not quite
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866. KnowYourRole 1:04 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
I think the NHC is correct. The wave in the Carribean is moving West.
867. amazinwxman 1:05 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
I know I'm getting ready to reap the wrath of alot of bloggers but I feel "Erin" wasn't a true/real TC. I feel like they named erin because it was so close to land and going to effect TX without a doubt so to keep people aware they made it a TS. They did it with a storm(can't remember the name) in Fl they named it a TS so the public would be aware and alot of Fl bloggers in here were posting they didn't see any rain and weren't getting no wind even though the "system" was moving right over them in Fl.
868. extreme236 1:05 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
a)not 95L
b)no sfc low
c)NHC are experts. Taz, you seem to use the NHC for their TWD when you point out areas of disturbed weather. But, when they disagree with you, you claim they dont know what they are talking about
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869. extreme236 1:06 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
i will take another look at the loops though
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870. eye 1:06 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
all i got to say is...


wow taz
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871. moonlightcowboy 1:07 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
Hey, TAZ. Chill, man! You may be right, but the NHC is pretty cool, too. Let's just watch it right now, okay and see. The Atlantic is going to heat up, too, soon. I think we'll have several things to watch.

Caribbean blob may form, but it is close to land right now. Not saying it won't....just keep watching it for us okay? Thanks.
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872. Tazmanian 1:07 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
Posted By: KnowYourRole at 6:04 PM PDT on August 28, 2007.

I think the NHC is correct. The wave in the Carribean is moving West.



no its moveing N
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873. extreme236 1:08 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
I looked at the overall west atlantic loop. right now, it is hard to say it is moving north without more frames. it shows it moving west with the convection developing a bit more north with a northerly wobble.
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874. scwindsaloft 1:08 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
based on this, it almost has to move into Belize
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875. boiredfish 1:08 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
I thought I heard from the experts yesterday the thing in the western Carribean would be just bringing rain to Honduras and Belize as it moved westward. Looks like it could cross the Yucatan and enter the Bay of Campeche.

By the way...I love how some of the people on TWC pronounce Comp"eeche" as Camp"pache"....
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876. amazinwxman 1:08 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
wx456 making generalizations are as bad as assuming because I see the carribean wave slightly moving north(or moving west but right now slightly north of west)and I'm not close or even near the gulf or FL and have no one I know at all in the gulf or Fl. So now that your bubble has busted whats your new theory?
877. Tazmanian 1:10 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
scwindsaloft at 6:08 PM PDT on August 28, 2007.

based on this, it almost has to move into Belize


that a SFC map and that map wont tell you any thing at all
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878. will40 1:10 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
why dont you guys use this blog the way it is intended to be used? if you dont like a certain comment just hit the lil !. When we bicker back and forth it fills up the blog with nothing usefull
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879. boiredfish 1:11 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
Anyone wanna go to tropical chat?...i'll be there for a while...
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880. extreme236 1:11 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
steering wind map, shows steering winds moving west. no way it is moving completely north
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882. Bobbyweather 1:12 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
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883. eye 1:13 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
the thing is with this blog, there are certain regulars who if you dont agree with them, they go to name calling(age is a factor in this)...they cant take you disagreeing with them, so it always turns into an arguement.
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884. extreme236 1:11 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
even if it did move north, it would move over the yucatan, then into an area of increasing shear over the central GOM
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885. Bobbyweather 1:14 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
I would think everyone should call (what some people say 95L) it Pre-95L.
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886. eye 1:14 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
I want to go ahead and call in Pre Hurricane Felix
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887. amazinwxman 1:14 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
wx456 I apologize you said your opinion like I said mines. Can you forgive me?
889. Cavin Rawlins 1:15 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
94L Invest

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890. extreme236 1:15 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
so pretty much either way it moves, it really cant develop much. I agree on maybe a little more development, but without a sfc feature, it cant form
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891. Cavin Rawlins 1:16 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
amazinwxman, yeah, no harm done
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892. TerraNova 1:17 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
Remember a while back we had an area in the Gulf which had stalled out of a front? The SSD put a floater on that, named it "INVEST", but it never appeared on the Navy or SFWMD site. I also remember that somebody here called it an "unofficial invest". I suppose this is the same case.
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893. stormybil 1:17 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
blog update at 2 pm there was 35 post at 9pm over 700 thats 100 post a hour wow wow wow . keep it coming everyone all you opinons count who would have thought we will have all these systems to watch all in one day lol . and still might get a ts before september comes along stay tuned
894. extreme236 1:19 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
shear tendency map shows increasing shear over the western caribbean as well. no development really with this "invest"
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895. centex 1:20 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
S/95L - I'm in the develop to TD camp. I think it's got a decent chance and wouldn't say not expected. It's gained several degres N in the last few days so west is misleading.
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896. extreme236 1:20 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
development cant be completely ruled out, but it has no sfc feature. it is all in the mid lvls
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897. stormybil 1:22 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
watch the monster coming off of africa that could be the next major hurricane this season . stay tuned anyone agree ?
898. centex 1:22 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
It has not had a chance until tonight
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899. extreme236 1:23 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
watch out for that area off the SE coast. Nice ball of strong convection has formed.
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900. boobless 1:24 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
Buoy 42055 BOC 22N 94W Pressure
Winds currently east. Still not a good night for a dinghy ride.
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901. scwindsaloft 1:24 AM GMT on August 29, 2007    
did we get a quickscat of the carribean blob last pass?
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