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Gulf of Mexico low nears tropical depression status
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:41 PM GMT on September 21, 2007 +2
A large low pressure system (93L) over the Gulf of Mexico has gradually been acquiring tropical characteristics, but is in no hurry to intensify. Top surface winds measured at buoys in the Gulf of Mexico this morning have been 30 knots (35 mph), so this storm could technically qualify as a tropical depression if the current hurricane hunter mission finds a well-defined center of circulation. There are two Hurricane Hunters aircraft in the storm right now, and they have found several swaths of surface winds of 35 mph. Long range radar loops from the Florida Panhandle clearly show the storm's circulation, but the low level spiral bands are not well organized and are only slowly getting more organized. Satellite loops show a large, sloppy-looking storm. Storms that start off as large, non-tropical systems like 93L typically take several days to organize and become fully tropical, and 93L will not have time to become anything worse than a minimal tropical storm. The storm is capable of dumping some heavy rains along its path--radar estimated precipitation from the Tallahassee radar (Figure 1) were as high as three inches. As 93L becomes more tropical in nature, it will be able to generate higher rain amounts. But, with the storm expected to move inland by Saturday afternoon, it does not appear 93L has time to generate the kind of tropical rains that would make it a serious flood threat.


Figure 1. Estimated rainfall from the Tallahassee, Florida radar.

Elsewhere in the tropics
An area of disturbed weather has developed in the western Caribbean between the Yucatan Peninsula and Jamaica, in association with a surface trough of low pressure. This disturbance will bring heavy rains to Cozumel and Cancun on Saturday as it crosses the Yucatan Peninsula. The region will need to be watched for development on Sunday as it crosses the Gulf of Mexico. The NOGAPS and GFS models predict an upper air pattern favorable for formation of a tropical depression over the Gulf of Mexico on Sunday and Monday. Heavy rains from this system may hit Louisiana and/or Texas on Monday.

A non-tropical low pressure system about 1000 miles east of Bermuda is being watched by NHC for tropical development. This low is expected to move northeastwards out to sea 2-4 days from now.


Figure 2. Current visible satellite image showing 93L near the Florida Panhandle (top of image) and the western Caribbean disturbance (bottom right of image).

I'll have an update late this afternoon when the next set of computer models runs are available.

Jeff Masters
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902. Labayourambler 6:42 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Could ya'll tell where this blob of convection in NW Caribbean could possibly develop into and where on the Gulf coast it could affect in the long haul??? Just askin' a simple ?, not trying to be a doomsday scenerio person.
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903. stormybil 6:42 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
rick 54 wouldnt td 10 cause the caribiean blob to go ne rather than nw it looks like it doing that now right . looks like it will go n ne over cuba to fla stiaghts what you think thanks
904. gnshpdude 6:42 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
TD10 is already north of projection. I calculte it is only 30 south and 60 mile East of my position. Not a drop. I beleive it will be on shore near Navarre beach, FL by 7:00 PM as a minimal TS at most.
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905. TampaSpin 6:43 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
JP
Does the Lower Salt content in the waters in the area make a difference in the intensification process of storms.....any data.
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906. Cajun27 6:43 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
jp what kind windy the find ?
907. gnshpdude 6:44 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
JP,

I disagree with you. The rainbands appear to be moving WNW due to the oblong shape of the general circulation. However the COC is moving a little N of NW.
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908. blueranch 6:45 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Thanks mike,

congrats sophmom had alot of friends that went there,

hey jp its been rainy and thundering since about noon here 30 mi sw of lake o, do you think this has anything to do with fast moving carrib system?
910. groundswell 6:46 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
jp-you wouldn't believe the light show last night-looks like a repeat. Lost power for 5 hours.
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911. mit5000 6:46 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
URNT11 KNHC 211637
97779 16234 60295 86408 04600 03019 21219 /0009 40230
RMK AF303 04IIA INVEST OB 20
LAST REPORT


winds @ last report 35 mph
915. F1or1d1an 6:47 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Aubiesgirl - where is band?

I am in Pcola headed E on I-10 right now...
916. StormJunkie 6:47 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Sorry rambler, that is not such a simple question :~) Especially with out a formed entity.
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917. aspectre 6:48 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Bonedog "recon data...decoder please."

link or http://www.tropicalatlantic.com/recon/
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921. aubiesgirl 6:49 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: F1or1d1an at 6:47 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

Aubiesgirl - where is band?

I am in Pcola headed E on I-10 right now...

it looks like it is on the walton/okaloosa border
922. extreme236 6:50 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
I see we now have TD10...could be jerry soon and the forecast calls for top winds of 45mph i see
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923. flsky 6:49 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Interesting. FEMA updates for emergency preparedness: Link
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926. RM706 6:52 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
It was a nice light show last night. Could have used the sleep though.
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927. Crawls 6:53 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: orleanscmd at 6:51 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

126mph gusts being reported in New Orleans.



WHERE are you getting this information?
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928. clwstmchasr 6:54 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: Labayourambler at 6:42 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

Could ya'll tell where this blob of convection in NW Caribbean could possibly develop into and where on the Gulf coast it could affect in the long haul??? Just askin' a simple ?, not trying to be a doomsday scenerio person.


Dr. M. talks about this in his blog.
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930. seminolesfan 6:55 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: jphurricane2006 at 6:47 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.
(snip)

I saw the steering this morning and think that Louisiana may not be the destination of this moisture, we will see


This steering, jp?

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932. Tazmanian 6:56 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
from TWC

Elsewhere in the tropics, an area northeast of Honduras is being watched, as thunderstorms are beginning to slowly organize there. It is possible that a weak low pressure could develop today, and begin to drift north toward the southern Gulf of Mexico in the coming days.

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934. extreme236 6:57 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
I see Dr. M talked about the non tropical low in the middle of the atlantic...looks a bit more organized IMO, maybe its trying to gain some tropical characteristics as convection appears to be wrapped around the center
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935. Cavin Rawlins 6:57 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
TPW

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937. Rick54 6:58 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
rick 54 wouldnt td 10 cause the caribiean blob to go ne rather than nw it looks like it doing that now right . looks like it will go n ne over cuba to fla stiaghts what you think thanks

Where TD10 is now, yes it would go to the NE. If TD 10 picks up speed and moves on out quickly the steering around the E side of the low would move out with it.
938. TampaSpin 6:58 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
PatRap--i know you how to do this but if you use the WUndergound nexrad radar and loop 30 and show: All Storm and Lables its easy to show the true COC. Sorry i don't know how to do that yet here......lol
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939. stormybil 6:59 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
jphurricane2006 at 6:56 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

that would be the one seminoles


all that moisture is riding NNE, some is over the state of Florida going due north

and there is a ton more over Cuba and just south of there


jp if the caribiean blob goes north and get in the fla striaghts can it develope quickley and will td 10 cause it to ne over fla thanks
940. lowerbamagirl 6:59 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Hi There: Just had an interesting conversation with my insurance agent. As it seems that TD10 has spawned some wicked tornadoes in parts of FL, I was wondering if
I had to pay my hurricane deductible if it was a tornado that did the damage (I live on the AL/FL line). Interesting answer. According to Farmers Insurance, you DO have to pay the hurricane deductible if the NHC has designated it a hurricane. If it is a named tropical storm you DO NOT have to pay the deductible. Since TD10 seems to be brushing the coast, if I have any damage, I will be reporting IMMEDIATELY with a time and date stamp! Not truly about the weather, but important for those of us insured in hurrican prone areas!
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942. Cavin Rawlins 7:00 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
TPW data indicate our non tropical low s becoming more tropical/subtropical. The moisture distribution resembles tropical/subtropical storms.
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944. aubiesgirl 7:02 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
I never got a response earlier..are the HHs up or are the going up soon?
946. ljk 7:03 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
center is moving wnw
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947. mit5000 7:04 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: aubiesgirl at 7:02 PM GMT on September 21, 2007. (hide)
I never got a response earlier..are the HHs up or are the going up soon?


the navys gone down and noaa are still up !
949. Cajun27 7:04 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
iam say td at 70mph at 500pm
950. blueranch 7:04 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
hey jp think the hhs will go to any other system than the td?

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