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Karen, TD 13, 97L, new Florida disturbance 98L, and new African disturbance
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:19 PM GMT on September 26, 2007 +2
Tropical Storm Karen is midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands. Karen is steadily intensifying, as seen in the latest satellite loops. Low level spirals bands continue to organize, and upper-level outflow is becoming established to the north and south. Wind shear of 10-20 knots is keeping intensification slow,and Karen may not be able to attain hurricane strength this week. Hostile wind shear in association with a trough of low pressure is expected to affect Karen over the next few days, and this trough will also turn the storm to the north or northwest. The models are all fairly unified in taking Karen to a latitude north of the Lesser Antilles Islands. However, the trough of low pressure expected to steer Karen to the northwest is unlikely to be strong enough to recurve Karen out to sea. A new ridge of high pressure may build in, forcing Karen westwards towards the U.S., just north of the Lesser Antilles Islands. This scenario, favored by the UKMET model, would put Karen in a position to threaten the U.S. East Coast late next week. The GFS model does not build in such a strong ridge, and instead forecasts that Karen will stall for 2-4 days a few hundred miles north of the Lesser Antilles Islands, and eventually recurve out to sea when the next strong trough of low pressure comes along. This scenario would put Bermuda at risk from Karen. It is too early to speculate which of these scenarios is more likely, and how much of a risk Karen may present to Bermuda or the U.S. East Coast.


Figure 1. Microwave image from 6:37 am EDT today showing Karen building heavy thunderstorms on the northeast side. Image credit: Navy/NRL.

Tropical Depression 13
Tropical Depression 13 formed yesterday evening in the far southwestern Gulf of Mexico. Satellite imagery and this morning's QuikSCAT pass show a well-organized surface circulation. Most of the winds seen by QuikSCAT were contaminated by rain, so it is difficult to say what the winds are. Wind shear is about 10 knots over the disturbance, and is expected to fall below 5 knots for the next three days. This should allow Tropical Depression 13 to develop into a strong tropical storm--possibly a Category 1 hurricane--before it makes landfall along the Mexican coast 2-3 days from now. Steering currents are weak in the southwest Gulf of Mexico, and the storm will move slowly and erratically. This storm is primarily a threat to Mexico, due to a very strong ridge of high pressure that will prevent the storm from turning northwards. The next Hurricane Hunter flight is scheduled for 2 pm EDT this afternoon.

Tropical wave 97L bringing heavy rain to Puerto Rico
A tropical wave (97L) has brought heavy rains of up to 2-4" to Puerto Rico today. Satellite imagery and Puerto Rico long range radar show heavy but disorganized thunderstorm activity surrounding Puerto Rico and spreading to the Dominican Republic. These heavy rains will spread over northern Haiti Thursday as the wave tracks west-northwest at 10-15 mph. The wave no longer has a closed circulation, and is under 20-30 knots of wind shear. This shear is expected to remain 20-30 knots through Thursday afternoon, preventing any development. When the wave arrives in the eastern Bahamas Thursday night, wind shear is expected to drop to 10 knots, and stay 10-20 knots through Saturday. This may allow some slow development. The UKMET model is forecasting that 97L will become a tropical depression near South Florida on Saturday or Sunday, but none of the other models go along with this prediction.


Figure 2. Radar estimated rainfall from 97L over Puerto Rico.

Disturbed weather over Florida and the Bahamas
An area of disturbed weather has formed over South Florida and the western Bahama Islands, in association with an upper-level trough of low pressure. NHC has labeled this system "98L" this morning. The region is under about 15-20 knots of wind shear, which should keep any development slow today. This disturbance has brought rains of up to four inches to portions of the Florida Keys and the western Bahamas as seen on Miami radar. The thunderstorm activity associated with 98L is currently disorganized, as seen on long range radar out of Miami. The disturbance is expected to lift northeastward in response to a strong trough of low pressure swinging off the U.S. East Coast. On Thursday, when 98L will be over the warm waters of the Gulf Stream approaching North Carolina, the system has the potential to organize into a tropical depression, as wind shear is expected to fall to 10-20 knots. By Friday, the GFS model predicts 98L should be moving rapidly northeastward past Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and could bring heavy rain and high winds to Nantucket, Martha's Vinyard, and eastern Massachusetts. This would not give 98L much time to organize, and at worst 98L should become a weak tropical storm with 45 mph winds. However, the Canadian model predicts that the trough of low pressure pulling 98L northeast will not be strong enough to finish the job, and the storm will stall off the North Carolina coast. I'll have more on this possibility later.

More action off the coast of Africa
An area of disturbed weather has moved off the coast of Africa, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. This tropical wave is under about 10 knots of wind shear, and has some potential for development over the next few days. Most of the computer models forecast that a tropical depression will form off the coast of Africa in the next 2-5 days.

Wind shear tutorial
For those interested, I've posted a wind shear tutorial. This page is permanently linked on our tropical page.

I'll have an update later today.

Jeff Masters
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501. grammieof2 6:09 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
quick queston,is ft. laud suppose to dry out soon? tile roof just sprung a leak on my new hard wood floor.need sunshine for them to fix!just a day or 2 please!!!
502. tiggeriffic 6:10 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
I think you are on the right track cowboy, just not that far south.. having problems logging onto crownweather.com but last I saw, it would swing nw late and hit nc,sc,or fl, depending on how far N the high lifts
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505. FLadjuster 6:10 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
Bonedog, thanks, so does the next trough look at this time like it will make it in time to stear her back to the north, and how does the stenght of the storm effect its effect with said trough?
506. EvanKisseloff 6:11 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
I think that is the only one. The NOGAPS brings it far north but the last frame starts more of a west-west northwest movement again.
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510. Bonedog 6:14 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
FLadjuster the next trough is still in the Pacific so its too early to tell. We will know more in a few days.

Long range models do show it should be a strong one.
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512. bayoubrotha 6:16 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
GFS 12z now brings Karen farther west than UKMET.
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513. nash28 6:16 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
The 12z GFDL doesn't dissipate Karen.

It weakens Karen due to the shear, but still keeps it as a TS.
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515. groundswell 6:17 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
HIGH SURF ADVISORY CONDITIONS AND MINOR COASTAL FLOODING AND BEACH EROSION WILL SET-UP SATURDAY NIGHT AND CONTINUE INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK ALONG WITH A HIGH RISK OF RIP CURRENTS.

From NWS marine for northeast coast of Florida.
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516. frankenstorm 6:17 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
is the high building east into the north atlantic?

Link
517. yamil20 6:17 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
In my opinion karen looks less fishy to me and the latest gfs suggest a westward movement at the end of the run,let's see if the other models follow the gfs.
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518. Bonedog 6:17 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
House have a link so I can see what you looking at?
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519. FLadjuster 6:20 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
can someone please post a link for the various models?
520. Bonedog 6:20 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
yes frankenstorm. Thats what has all the models shifting west on the latest runs and is also what has a few of us concerned
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521. tiggeriffic 6:20 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
crownweather finally working, looked at the 500mb map, currently, NO hole to grab karen... pulls wnw, nnw, then almost due west to the east coast
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522. OUSHAWN 6:20 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
Does anyone else notice that the models for TD13 seem to be trending toward it just floating around in the BOC for a while??? At first they were pretty much all agreeing on a Mexico landfall in the next 3-4 days but now it appears to be changing with some of the models.
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523. Michfan 6:20 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
TD 13 could be a minimal CAT 1 before it hits.

Karen really organized itself nicely overnight. Definite CAT 1 come 5pm TWO.
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524. stormybil 6:20 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
hi mlc is that a real track or one you made up thanks
525. will40 6:21 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
Posted By: bayoubrotha at 2:16 PM EDT on September 26, 2007.

GFS 12z is now brings Karen farther west than UKMET.

Yes and it looks like it builds the High back east of her if im seeing it right
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526. bayoubrotha 6:21 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
CMC 12z run is close to GFS 12z run.

Making a left jog around 25N, 60W.
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527. mit5000 6:22 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
13l seems to be developing an eyewall type structure!
528. Floodman 6:23 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
Evan, the GFDL only goes out 126 hours...5 days, 6 hours...she doesn't die, that's just as far as the model interprets the data
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529. EvanKisseloff 6:23 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
KarenRei, I think we may see a storm in my area this year. Something tells me that if Karen does not recurve, it will hit near me. Sorry for the hard time.
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531. bayoubrotha 6:23 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
will40-

See that too. Models now coming more into alignment.

Yesterday, the UKMET was the southern outlier; today, NOGAPS is the northern outlier.

I guess all bets are still off in the long run.
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532. LightningCharmer 6:23 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
Sorry if anyone has posted this recently but has anyone noticed the NWS Miami Radar lately. Looking pretty cyclonic. From the looks of radar, the center of circulation is right over this buoy.
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533. nrtiwlnvragn 6:24 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
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534. mit5000 6:24 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
More action off the coast of Africa
An area of disturbed weather has moved off the coast of Africa, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. This tropical wave is under about 10 knots of wind shear, and has some potential for development over the next few days. Most of the computer models forecast that a tropical depression will form off the coast of Africa in the next 2-5 days.


they always do!
536. Tazmanian 6:25 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
3. A COUPLE OF WELL-DEFINED TROPICAL WAVES ARE LOCATED OVER THE FAR
EASTERN TROPICAL ATLANTIC. BOTH SYSTEMS HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME
DEVELOPMENT AS THEY MOVE WESTWARD OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
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538. frankenstorm 6:25 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
thanks bonedog - will that also allow td13 to start a move north?
539. Bonedog 6:26 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
yea lightning the actual coc is just north of key west currently. The convection is displaced to the east and north.
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540. tiggeriffic 6:27 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
oops, my ski slope didnt work
had it all curvy and stuff, sorry
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541. Michfan 6:27 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
Scuba do you not have SJ site in your favorites? It has all of the quick links to everythign we look at to make the comments that we do.

Link
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542. Bonedog 6:28 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
no the high will block it from going north and move it west
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543. bayoubrotha 6:27 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
Gee, the GFDL 12z has Karen even farther south at 126 hours, 20N, 65W, but still only a weak tropical storm at 51 mph.
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544. Floodman 6:28 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
Posted By: LightningCharmer at 6:23 PM GMT on September 26, 2007.

Sorry if anyone has posted this recently but has anyone noticed the NWS Miami Radar lately. Looking pretty cyclonic. Center of circulation is right over this buoy.


Mid level circulation, Charmer...look at the surface pressure reads from the buoy...
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546. moonlightcowboy 6:28 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
Weak Atl Trough won't be able to have much influence on Karen. You can see that in this loop, the tail of the trough fizzles as it moves away from Karen sw to ne.
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547. JUSTCOASTING 6:28 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
here you go scuba Link
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548. Bonedog 6:29 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
ummmm does anyone else see the 205pm TWD and notice the cut and paste about 13 from the 805am?

That was a losey job imho
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549. tiggeriffic 6:29 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
if 97, which is now moving more to the east coast instead of GOM, keeps just minimal characteristics, it could carve the path for Karen...
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550. PensacolaDoug 6:29 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
Is that a mid-level turning to the se of Miami or second llc? There is another spin bare-naked near Key West.
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551. bayoubrotha 6:30 PM GMT on September 26, 2007    
without something to look at, this stuff is just opinions splashed on here. please provide us with what you are seeing and where it is!!!

Okay, here is your link to the models.

Link
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